[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick

Question: Where is this story about Judge Barrett being asked to remove her mask coming from?

I saw a speculative comment on page 1 of this topic that read this way:



Is that what we're using as "the facts" here? Later in the topic, others chimed in, such as feeling sorry for Barrett that she was asked to remove the mask. Another person lambasted her as "weak" for doing so and for not standing up for her right/desire to wear a mask. And more recently in this thread, someone said "she's clearly not fit to judge anything" for this decision.

OK, from the start - is there an actual news link that states she was asked by someone to remove her mask? I'm not saying there isn't one, but that's not how the topic is being presented here (unless I missed it). Instead, it seems like someone saw something on a video clip, and then assumed that she was asked to remove her mask. The rest of the comments in the thread seem to follow from that original comment.

So she removes a mask when up on the podium. She was going to speak at the podium. So the thought is that she should have kept a mask on while making her comments?

I watched what I'll charitably call a debate this past week. You probably did, too. And what did we see? We saw the president, the former vice-president and the moderator, all mask-free. Why was that ok? Rank has its privileges? Are you going to say that "it was so the audience could hear / understand them better!"? So, that's different when someone - someone who had already contracted Covid-19 this past summer - is at a podium to speak in the Rose Garden?

"https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/notre-dame-president-apologizes-for-not-wearing-mask-at-amy-coney-barrett-nomination/2346035/


"Jenkins explained that when he arrived at the White House, he and others underwent a rapid COVID-19 test, and once they had all tested negative, they were told it was safe to remove their masks.
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[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Heyitsrick

That's not Judge Barrett, but again, even if it was a case where they (and she) were told it was safe, why would Judge Barrett - a person who had already gone through her Covid-19 battle - be affected by this?

And again...why is ok for presidential debates to go mask-free, yet there's a presumably (according to some here) higher standard at the Rose Garden?

This is the NOVEL CV, which means that it is NEW and LITTLE is known about it. Japanese scientists have seen SOME evidence that a person can be RE-INFECTED by CV. They are testing for that further.

Also, there is a picture of Mike Lee, while inside, talking to Judge Barrett with his face OVERLY close to hers. It looks like he is about to kiss her. He was in a lot of GOP faces while outside in the Rose Garden.

[Heyitsrick]

Originally Posted by Bucco

On the debate.......they were well apart much more than is required or mandated by health officials.

Seems like there's some real concerns over what constitutes a safe distance - particularly when Covid-19 is carried by the much, much smaller "aerosol" format (vs. larger droplets).

From ScientificAmerica a few days ago:

This feels like a lopsided fight. In one corner, we have scientists, epidemiologists, infectious-disease physicians, clinicians, engineers—many different experts in the medical community, that is—arguing that the spread of COVID-19 by aerosols (that is, tiny droplets that can remain airborne long enough to travel significantly farther than the six-foot separation we’ve been told to observe) is both real and dangerous. In the other, it’s the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) and the World Health Organization (WHO), which until very recently have allowed only that aerosol spread is possible, not necessarily likely.

And while watching experts going against governmental agencies isn’t always riveting stuff, this particular battle is terribly important. It has significant implications for how we as a country handle this epidemic, and what decisions we make going forward—and those decisions need to be made sooner, not later.

On some level, this is a discussion of droplets versus aerosols. You’ve probably heard plenty this year about droplets: they’re larger in size and may be exhaled by someone talking, shouting, singing, coughing or sneezing. These droplets don’t travel far and fall quickly to the ground, one reason why a “social distance” of roughly six feet is seen as a safe one.

Aerosols, on the other hand, are tiny by comparison, nearly 10,000 times smaller than a human hair. They’re spread at far greater distances—20 to 30 feet—and can linger in the air for minutes to hours, infecting others.

Protecting against COVID's Aerosol Threat - Scientific American

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Joanne D

Respectfully disagree and will follow the recommendations of our scientist.

Who do you respectfully disagree with? When you do not quote someone, I have no idea who you directed your comment to.

[vilger]

What does Covid-19 in the White House teach us? It provides a very teachable moment:

If you know you may have been exposed to COVID-19, give yourself the benefit of the doubt and don't let it interfere with your life. If there is a large gathering that you must go to, go to it - don't wear a mask there, shake hands, press the flesh. If other people get it, that's their tough luck.

And if you are certain that you have COVID-19, and desperately need to go somewhere -- like from one car entrance to a hospital to another car entrance of the same hospital, find someone to drive you, preferably someone who has no choice in the matter.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Thanks for the input. You came on here looking for trouble, so please....for the time being, I, as you want to do, will choose for myself how to protect myself and family.

I am not looking to protect anyone but me and my family...you obviously are trying to protect more than that.

That goes without saying.....I also want to protect me and my family too. Having said that, I want to also protect our way of life here in America. Following the CDC guidelines will allow us to have some semblance of normalcy, getting the economy back to pre-Covid levels, getting people back to work and get the cruise lines sailing again among other things.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by vilger

What does Covid-19 in the White House teach us? It provides a very teachable moment:

If you know you may have been exposed to COVID-19, give yourself the benefit of the doubt and don't let it interfere with your life. If there is a large gathering that you must go to, go to it - don't wear a mask there, shake hands, press the flesh. If other people get it, that's their tough luck.

And if you are certain that you have COVID-19, and desperately need to go somewhere -- like from one car entrance to a hospital to another car entrance of the same hospital, find someone to drive you, preferably someone who has no choice in the matter.

Good post! Kudos!

[Velvet]

He’s back! So far it looks like the President is winning his personal fight against the virus, but it looks like quite a fight. I bet everyone in the WH wears N95 masks though.