[Byte1]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

It would be better to wait some period of time to make sure that the vaccine does not have side effects.

Depending upon how they decide to make it available might be mid of next year for our turn.

In answer to your question I do believe vaccines are life saving and if people do not take it run the risk of them passing it on to others.

Like someone asked before, why would it matter as long as you have the vaccine? And if they don't have it, how would they pass it on to others? If others have it, the chances of them contracting it and then passing it on is very minute. First off, they would have to be around someone that has it. Then they would have to be susceptible to it, and then in order for them to pass it on, they would have to be around someone else that did not have the vaccination. I have never had the flu and have not had a flu shot in 50 years, so on and so forth. You get it.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Like someone asked before, why would it matter as long as you have the vaccine? And if they don't have it, how would they pass it on to others? If others have it, the chances of them contracting it and then passing it on is very minute. First off, they would have to be around someone that has it. Then they would have to be susceptible to it, and then in order for them to pass it on, they would have to be around someone else that did not have the vaccination. I have never had the flu and have not had a flu shot in 50 years, so on and so forth. You get it.

Was about to type a response but post 29 says it very well.

[shut the front door]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

It would be better to wait some period of time to make sure that the vaccine does not have side effects.

Depending upon how they decide to make it available might be mid of next year for our turn.

In answer to your question I do believe vaccines are life saving and if people do not take it run the risk of them passing it on to others.

If you believe that the vaccine will work and will save your life, it is of zero concern to you if anyone else has been vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, you don't have any business pushing your views on other people. You are protected, they can't hurt you.

[Heyitsrick]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Europe has taken CV serious. That IS a strategy.

I've seen you say this a couple of times, and I'm interested in how you're arriving at this whole "Europe is taking CV seriously" notion (where I guess you mean we're not).

I used two sources - populationof.net and the Johns Hopkins Coronavirus stats map as of today to tally up some numbers related to Covid-19 in the US and in Europe.

For Europe, I had to use countries whose populations when added together are quite close to the US population. So, I chose:

UK
France
Germany
Spain
Sweden
Italy

The population of those six countries when added are just about what they are for the US: between 333 million (US) and about 334.4 million for those countries (assuming I used the calculator correctly, lol).

Then, I added up the Johns Hopkins COVID death tallies as of today for all the countries mentioned above.

The US came in at 156801.

The European countries came in at 155171, in total.

I don't know about your reckoning, but that's pretty darn close. Now, are the trend lines different as of today? I'm not sure. There's been some flare ups in Europe recently, but the US might have a higher daily death rate today. That said, though, I'm not seeing a demonstrative difference in the death tallies by population right now - at least not so much so as to say one group is taking things more seriously than this country is.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

If you believe that the vaccine will work and will save your life, it is of zero concern to you if anyone else has been vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, you don't have any business pushing your views on other people. You are protected, they can't hurt you.

Has it occurred to you that we can be protected but people who will not avail themselves of a life saving vaccine can hurt others including folks we care about?

[thelegges]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Has it occurred to you that we can be protected but people who will not avail themselves of a life saving vaccine can hurt others including folks we care about?

Never had the flu, and can’t use the vaccine, so I am more worried about those who have had the vaccine, and still get the new flu strain Nonetheless.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

If you believe that the vaccine will work and will save your life, it is of zero concern to you if anyone else has been vaccinated. If you are vaccinated, you don't have any business pushing your views on other people. You are protected, they can't hurt you.

Not so. If not enough people are vaccinated which it the safer way to achieve herd immunity, the economy will never get back to normal. Who knows when sports will ever be back to normal with fans attending games? Herd immunity is the way we, as a nation, will ever get back to normal as we knew normal prior to this pandemic. Isn't the "old normal" what most people want? If your answer is "yes", then think about how we all can achieve that.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

A ridiculous article. When this is over things will get back to normal.

Why would we change everything for something slightly worse than a normal flu, equally bad as a bad flu (1957) or much less bad than a really bad flu (1918)

I agree, pure drivel.