[44Apple]

This started as an anti-media post, a fake news post, a political post. Why is it still here?

[ts12755]

We use Fear to Control.... And it is working.

[benj]

I wish all you mask wearers would go back in your caves and shiver in the darkness. The rest of us will go on building our lives and families and society. Then when you feel safe you can come out. Be careful though you might catch a cold.

[dnptrll]

Are people all so naïve to think that a rally is the only possible source of Covid-19 infection? Everyone who attended gatherings, rallies , also protests had lives out side those events.

Meanwhile, what happened to all of those protests/riots? They seem to have disappeared overnight. Are the topics resolved? Is everything wonderful in Seattle? Portland?
Were they all politically financed?

[KRM0614]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

They read scripts and not journalists ! You can turn on ABC NBC CBS exact garbage said in the exact same order

[Lil GTO]

Exactly correct

Originally Posted by Swoop

Interesting how the news media tells us what to think. We all heard about how the recent rally in The Villages would be another Super Spreader event. “Peaceful protests” were okay according to the media, but rallies were Super Spreaders. Now that more than two weeks have passed since the rally and there has been no surge of new cases, you have heard nothing more from the media. The media sells fear to promote their agenda. They tell you what you should believe. And because they package it as “news” people accept it as fact.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Where are you getting that “news” from? Here is a link to the CDC site showing the percentage of occupied ICU beds across the USA. These numbers fall into the same normal range as you would have without the Coronavirus.
https://healthdata.gov/sites/default...01108_2221.csv
Another example of main stream media spreading false information as facts...

Hospitals in the midwest ARE all worried about overflowing. Northwest Wisconsin hospitals ARE filled up. Illinois is putting up tent hospitals. North Dakota hospitals are to the point of deciding life or death by having to pick the better candidates for treatment. It is all over EVERY TV channel. There are about 150,000 cases nationwide today. TV Land has been lucky so far. But, we are relaxing our defenses individually (COVID fatigue) and NOT limiting indoor gatherings like they are in northern states. Many states have mask mandates. Florida NEEDS ONE! Stay lucky TV Land.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

The weather now in FL is less conducive for virus spreading. which is great, more outdoor life, less air conditioning and indoor activities. Up North in New England, a week long church event put a couple dozen people in the hospital as well as some ice hockey games. And the hospitalizations are starting to rise without any super spreader events, due to more conducive weather for spreading, drier air and indoor activities. In TV, I would expect less hospitalization rates now through April than during the summer.

Sorry, I expect more.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

@swoop - that's just part of the hospitalization data, ICU, covid also takes up acute care beds, where most people go first, which added on top of normal acute care bed usage, is overflowing the hospitals. . . So your story isn't the complete picture either, cherry picking facts.

sportsguy

Right about that one, Good job!

[bimmertl]

Originally Posted by KRM0614

They read scripts and not journalists ! You can turn on ABC NBC CBS exact garbage said in the exact same order

My primary news source indicates we have rounded the curve and the epidemic ended the day after the election and we have now returned to normal life!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by nick demis

The politicians now say they want to spread out the virus over a long time and are finally admitting that a huge percentage of the population will eventually get the virus. Since this is the case, why not get it over sooner than later. Time to start living your life instead of living in fear.

Why expose a huge percentage of the population to the virus when a vaccine is so close to reality. It does not make sense to have the huge amount of deaths it would take to develop herd immunity naturally?

We should all hang in there a while longer for the safe way to achieve herd immunity with the vaccine. In the meantime, follow the CDC guidelines to do your part to slow the spread of the virus. There are too many people out there that do not believe in the CDC guidelines and look at where we are right now in this pandemic. Hospitals are becoming over whelmed not to mention our health care workers and first responders are are not only stressed out but can not keep up the pace to care for our sick. I can not believe this is the America we have right now. It is more like a nightmarish hell.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by nick demis

The politicians now say they want to spread out the virus over a long time and are finally admitting that a huge percentage of the population will eventually get the virus. Since this is the case, why not get it over sooner than later. Time to start living your life instead of living in fear.

That IS all wrong! Look at OTHER countries. Australia and New Zealand contained their CV relatively easily by just using simple early preparation and taking it seriously. They recognized it, then dealt with it. WE as a country TRIED to ignore it. And the US population has absorbed propaganda designed to ignore the problem. WE here in TV Land are JUST beginning to accept REALITY. This thread is about patting each other on the back and trying DESPERATELY to justify ignoring the problem by saying, "all my friends are ignoring it"! This is desperate and just strange propaganda being repeated. Back in April, the cases started increasing - now they are 150,000. Time to wake up TV Land - the rest of America is FINALLY starting to wake up. I am saying this to help YOU survive. It is up to YOU if you want to continue with this denial.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Cheapbas

A super spreader event to me would be a large number of people, packed shoulder to shoulder, yelling, screaming, laughing and no masks. I view it two ways, something that has already occurred (like the rose garden party) and something that has the potential to become one (like several presidential rallies where you could see people not adhering to standards in the backdrop).

There’s a concerted effort ongoing in this country to divide the country in two by promoting an “us vs them” strategy. They use terms like “ fear mongering” and “ fake news”, both terms heavily pushed by one side to accomplish this. It’s meant to promote an alternate set of facts they can sell so you to drive disbelief in the other side’s reporting.

When you disbelieve news about this virus, which not only kills but damages your organs enough your life expectancy can be shortened, it’s a concern for everyone in the villages

When a possible super spreader event turns out to not be one, it’s time to be thankful, not time to point fingers at the media.

Thanks for a GREAT post. Well written. And people complaining about "LOGIC" can study this post because it just OOZES logic.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

For those who don't believe states running out of beds, acute care plus intensive care see the idaho state web site for utilization and utilization warning levels. . . COVID-19 Surveillance

Note the fastest increase is in acute care beds, and that the total threshold is approaching the critical 85% which means that there isn't enough beds for expected nursing capacity, staff and ICU beds for non covid expectations. . . and some proportion of acute care moves to intensive care. . . .

I read a tweet of a person I know, used to work in my past industry, and his brother in law is a med flight pilot:

Bro-in law is life flight pilot

His company is transporting COVID patients from UT and ID to hospitals in Portland because no more beds in those states

So what part of the hospitals running out of beds do you not believe? or are you just cherry picking numbers to support your belief, which is blatant confirmation bias, the basis of idealogues. . . or you just listen to demagogues because you can't adapt to new or change. . .

And how much data and hospital experience do you all really have? or are you using your expert google degree? The mis-use of information by both media and government is so blatant when you are privy to actual hospital data by named individual, as my wife does. And I have done data analytics / forecasting for a living for the last 30 years, and easily see cherry picking data to represent their reality, which means that they want a certain reality or outcome. . .

The other problem of the deniers, is that when the surge does come, like in Oklahoma a few months earlier, most conveniently forget and move on to the next idealogue confirmation stat, which is always take out of context with incorrect context. . .

must be the bubble effect. . .

One of the all-time best posts that I have read here. Kudos!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by PaulinTV

Maybe if our governmental leaders had...or....would put together a comprehensive testing and tracking plan we could determine where exposure came from, notify potentially exposed people, and minimize the numbers getting the virus and subsequent deaths......

I was extremely disappointed when the White House refused to contact trace after the Rose Garden super spreader event. That is pure negligence on the administration's part. What kind of example are they setting for America? I'm actually embarrassed for their total disregard for this global pandemic.