[Seve1]

First of all it is not a vaccine by the traditional terms. It is a bioengineered compound right out of science fiction. It contains a messenger RNA protein that goes into our cells and tells the cells to make a replica strand of the virus that activates our immune system. Bill Gates and other big techies have their hands all over this. There are also some markers that are injected along with the messenger RNA protein to “protect it” We are all being experimented on.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Seve1

First of all it is not a vaccine by the traditional terms. It is a bioengineered compound right out of science fiction. It contains a messenger RNA protein that goes into our cells and tells the cells to make a replica strand of the virus that activates our immune system. Bill Gates and other big techies have their hands all over this. There are also some markers that are injected along with the messenger RNA protein to “protect it” We are all being experimented on.

Total Bovine excrement!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Seve1

First of all it is not a vaccine by the traditional terms. It is a bioengineered compound right out of science fiction. It contains a messenger RNA protein that goes into our cells and tells the cells to make a replica strand of the virus that activates our immune system. Bill Gates and other big techies have their hands all over this. There are also some markers that are injected along with the messenger RNA protein to “protect it” We are all being experimented on.

Sir/madam. You are misinformed. I completely concur with Two Bills response to this post.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by Seve1

First of all it is not a vaccine by the traditional terms. It is a bioengineered compound right out of science fiction. It contains a messenger RNA protein that goes into our cells and tells the cells to make a replica strand of the virus that activates our immune system. Bill Gates and other big techies have their hands all over this. There are also some markers that are injected along with the messenger RNA protein to “protect it” We are all being experimented on.

As you have earlier this month told us you will follow the COVID advise given by the Governor of Florida, but not accept the word of the WHO or Dr. Fauci, I present for your edification the words of Mr. DeSantis on whether or not you should accept the mRNA vaccine:

"This is a game changer," DeSantis said during a news conference at Tampa General Hospital. "It's a great day for the United States. It's a great day for the state of Florida...This is a really, really significant milestone in terms of combating the coronavirus pandemic,"

There you have it from your go to authority on Covid control. Get the shot.

Please explain, with links to evidence, what Bill Gates did that may make this vaccine unsafe. Real links to evidence, not just the ravings of people or locker room talk. The outright slander of Mr Gates by people has amazed me. Microchips. No conspiracy theory should be accepted without evidence. Spreading dangerous rumors which may result in deaths is inhuman and perhaps criminal. If people refuse this and other vaccines because they read on the internet that an evil genius is going to control your life with a super secret invisible technology that he will slip into your Covid shot without anyone knowing about it, and then they or their loved ones or even complete strangers become sick and die because we don't get Covid under control. Those who spread such garbage rumors will hopefully answer before their God for those deaths.

Or maybe Gates has bought off DeSantis or already has gotten him microchipped and is controlling him with his PlayStation.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

It is not so bad at all. I think of this vaccine as an invitation for all of our bodies protective elements to armor up. It truly is an enormous victory from a lot of very dedicated and extremely smart people who stayed focused and achieved this miracle in an amazingly short time.

I would far rather look at that jab than listen to the jabber from the mouthy politicians and read the forgone conclusions written by the opinionated writers.

Certainly did not happen overnight and kudos to all the research even before we knew about COVID19.

"How could scientists race out COVID-19 vaccines so fast without cutting corners? A head start helped — over a decade of behind-the-scenes research that had new vaccine technology poised for a challenge just as the coronavirus erupted.

“The speed is a reflection of years of work that went before,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert, told The Associated Press. “That’s what the public has to understand.”

"Creating vaccines and having results from rigorous studies less than a year after the world discovered a never-before-seen disease is incredible, cutting years off normal development. But the two U.S. frontrunners are made in a way that promises speedier development may become the norm — especially if they prove to work long-term as well as early testing suggests."

Years of research laid groundwork for speedy COVID-19 vaccines | PBS NewsHour

[blueash]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I do not agree at all with your paraphrased statement. As I said earlier, I will be assuming some risk by being vaccinated. There are benefits to taking that risk and that is the ability to go back to a normal life. I will be helping this country reach a safe herd immunity. What about this do you not understand?

You are assuming that after you are vaccinated you are not going to get Covid and therefore you cannot spread it to others. Wearing a mask as you are well aware is to protect others from your potentially infectious material. If getting the vaccine 100% meant you could not have Covid in your breath droplets then your position of not needing a mask would be justified. However the best vaccine is 95% effective against clinical disease and of unknown but certainly below 100% against sub-clinical disease. So you have a 5% risk of not being protected from Covid even after you complete your shots and additional risk of spreading Covid if you are sub-clinically infected.

That is why people are writing that it is better to continue to wear your mask even after you get your shots until we reach the point when Covid is not widely circulating.

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by blueash

Please explain, with links to evidence, what Bill Gates did that may make this vaccine unsafe. Real links to evidence, not just the ravings of people or locker room talk. The outright slander of Mr Gates by people has amazed me. Microchips. No conspiracy theory should be accepted without evidence. Spreading dangerous rumors which may result in deaths is inhuman and perhaps criminal. If people refuse this and other vaccines because they read on the internet that an evil genius is going to control your life with a super secret invisible technology that he will slip into your Covid shot without anyone knowing about it, and then they or their loved ones or even complete strangers become sick and die because we don't get Covid under control. Those who spread such garbage rumors will hopefully answer before their God for those deaths.

Or maybe Gates has bought off DeSantis or already has gotten him microchipped and is controlling him with his PlayStation.

"No conspiracy theory should be accepted without evidence. Spreading dangerous rumors which may result in deaths is inhuman and perhaps criminal."


Sadly, that horse left the barn long ago - in a full gallop. Even more sad, is that it's only getting worse and more horses are bolting every day. Personally, I can't wait until it's my turn in line and if others in front of me want to drop out, I'm certainly not going to expend any effort in changing (as if that were even possible) their gullible minds.

[blueash]

Originally Posted by biker1

The control group gets the placebo. They won't have adverse reactions.

Without the long post to which biker was replying this is a bit confusing, but the earlier post was that in studies they watch for adverse effects in the active as well as placebo group.

Biker you are simultaneously right and wrong. No one knows what the risks might be of a medication or vaccine. So while something that happened long term might be an adverse reaction to the shot the only way to know is to record all events in both groups. This might include obvious things like hives or fever but also things like kidney failure or arthritis or heart attacks. Kidney failure is going to happen in any group you watch over months or years. The question is does it happen significantly more often in the drug group. So yes, the manufacturer watches for all outcomes short and long term in the active and placebo group as that data is needed for comparison and risk assessment.

Only after analysis can it then be said if an outcome is a drug related adverse event or the background expected rate.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Certainly did not happen overnight and kudos to all the research even before we knew about COVID19.

"How could scientists race out COVID-19 vaccines so fast without cutting corners? A head start helped — over a decade of behind-the-scenes research that had new vaccine technology poised for a challenge just as the coronavirus erupted.

“The speed is a reflection of years of work that went before,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the top U.S. infectious disease expert, told The Associated Press. “That’s what the public has to understand.”

"Creating vaccines and having results from rigorous studies less than a year after the world discovered a never-before-seen disease is incredible, cutting years off normal development. But the two U.S. frontrunners are made in a way that promises speedier development may become the norm — especially if they prove to work long-term as well as early testing suggests."

Years of research laid groundwork for speedy COVID-19 vaccines | PBS NewsHour

I think a Turkish married couple with their own research company in Germany were heavily involved in the discovery of the Pfizer vaccine, or have they already been written out of history?

[Byte1]

All I know or care about is that once the vaccination is available here, I will no longer be wearing a mask regardless of what a bunch of so-called experts say on TV. If I still get the virus, I will take precautions to prevent the spread of it. I will worry about it then, but I have no intention of wearing that stupid, practically worthless rag over my face once the vaccine is here. If you don't get the vaccine, do not blame me if you become infected. It's all on you. And if you fear me then stay the heck away from me. If you still find some reason that you feel necessary to approach me, then it is all on you. If you walk in front of a moving car, it is not the operator's fault if you get run over. If you think I am dangerous, it behooves you to stay away. If that is considered uncaring, irresponsible or selfish, that is your problem so don't attempt to make it mine.
So, don't tell me that the vaccination does not protect me from the virus and that I should continue to wear my mask, because I will abstain from getting vaccinated if I am told there is no benefit from the vaccine.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

I think a Turkish married couple with their own research company in Germany were heavily involved in the discovery of the Pfizer vaccine, or have they already been written out of history?

I think you should re read the link I supplied. It is pretty specific about where, who and when.

"But long before COVID-19 was on the radar, the groundwork was laid in large part by two different streams of research, one at the NIH and the other at the University of Pennsylvania — and because scientists had learned a bit about other coronaviruses from prior SARS and MERS outbreaks."

"That was a discovery in 2013, when Graham, deputy director of NIH’s Vaccine Research Center, and colleague Jason McLellan were investigating a decades-old failed vaccine against RSV, a childhood respiratory illness.

"They homed in on the right structure for an RSV protein and learned genetic tweaks that stabilized the protein in the correct shape for vaccine development."

"Likewise, Germany’s BioNTech in 2018 had partnered with New York-based Pfizer to develop a more modern mRNA-based flu vaccine, giving both companies some early knowledge about how to handle the technology.

“This was all brewing. This didn’t come out of nowhere,” said Pfizer’s Dormitze"

"Then at the NIH, Graham woke up on Saturday Jan. 11 to see Chinese scientists had shared the genetic map of the new coronavirus. His team got to work on the right-shaped spike protein. Days later, they sent Moderna that recipe — and the vaccine race was on."

Amazing....this is what these folks do full time and are good at at. Lots of people, many countries, and lots of scientific co operation.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by Byte1

All I know or care about is that once the vaccination is available here, I will no longer be wearing a mask regardless of what a bunch of so-called experts say on TV. If I still get the virus, I will take precautions to prevent the spread of it. I will worry about it then, but I have no intention of wearing that stupid, practically worthless rag over my face once the vaccine is here. If you don't get the vaccine, do not blame me if you become infected. It's all on you. And if you fear me then stay the heck away from me. If you still find some reason that you feel necessary to approach me, then it is all on you. If you walk in front of a moving car, it is not the operator's fault if you get run over. If you think I am dangerous, it behooves you to stay away. If that is considered uncaring, irresponsible or selfish, that is your problem so don't attempt to make it mine.
So, don't tell me that the vaccination does not protect me from the virus and that I should continue to wear my mask, because I will abstain from getting vaccinated if I am told there is no benefit from the vaccine.

"Among public health experts, there is near-unanimous endorsement of universal mask mandates to shield people from the virus and slow the pandemic.

“The more people who wear a mask, the more the community is protected and therefore the more you individually benefit,” said Dr. John Brooks, chief medical officer of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Covid-19 response program. “It’s like a herd effect.”

Wearing Masks to Prevent Coronavirus: Here'''s What Scientists Know - The New York Times

[biker1]

I was responding to what I believe was confusion by the poster regarding which group gets the vaccine during the clinical trial. It appeared that he was confused about the definition of the control group (the ones who get the placebo).

Originally Posted by blueash

Without the long post to which biker was replying this is a bit confusing, but the earlier post was that in studies they watch for adverse effects in the active as well as placebo group.

Biker you are simultaneously right and wrong. No one knows what the risks might be of a medication or vaccine. So while something that happened long term might be an adverse reaction to the shot the only way to know is to record all events in both groups. This might include obvious things like hives or fever but also things like kidney failure or arthritis or heart attacks. Kidney failure is going to happen in any group you watch over months or years. The question is does it happen significantly more often in the drug group. So yes, the manufacturer watches for all outcomes short and long term in the active and placebo group as that data is needed for comparison and risk assessment.

Only after analysis can it then be said if an outcome is a drug related adverse event or the background expected rate.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by blueash

You are assuming that after you are vaccinated you are not going to get Covid and therefore you cannot spread it to others. Wearing a mask as you are well aware is to protect others from your potentially infectious material. If getting the vaccine 100% meant you could not have Covid in your breath droplets then your position of not needing a mask would be justified. However the best vaccine is 95% effective against clinical disease and of unknown but certainly below 100% against sub-clinical disease. So you have a 5% risk of not being protected from Covid even after you complete your shots and additional risk of spreading Covid if you are sub-clinically infected.

That is why people are writing that it is better to continue to wear your mask even after you get your shots until we reach the point when Covid is not widely circulating.

My only answer is "Covid fatigue". I know that is probably not good enough but at least I have been doing my part since the beginning of this pandemic. There are hosts of people that have not done anything at all to help quell the transmission of this virus.

I live in a retirement community so most everyone in my community will be eligible for vaccination against Covid pretty much in the same time frame. I'm going by that fact that most of my community will have the opportunity to protect themselves from Covid by being inoculated with the vaccine. If there are those folks who will not take the vaccine because they are simply anti-vaxxers, I am not about to worry about protecting them. Sorry if this is an unpopular stance but it is the one I will make once I am immune.

[dadoiron]

Yes 👍