[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Seems some must have someone to hate and immigrants are one of the selected. Must make some feel special.

Nonsense, I don't hate immigrants, I married one.

I don't even hate illegal immigrants because I understand why they come here, for a better life. That doesn't mean I condone illegal immigration.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Nonsense, I don't hate immigrants, I married one.

I don't even hate illegal immigrants because I understand why they come here, for a better life. That doesn't mean I condone illegal immigration.

Hm. Well maybe we should try doing something about that. Maybe - we should create a more efficient process of legal immigration, so people don't have to wait 10 or 20 years to get that "legal" designation. When a crime organization runs your city, and its minions break into family homes to kidnap their children for the sex trade, and threaten to kill your OTHER children if you protest... maybe that's a good reason to want to leave your country.

Since this doesn't happen as frequently in the USA (don't kid yourself - it happens here - just not as frequently), you know you have a better chance at survival, and a better shot at your kid growing up to become a productive member of society. If only you could GET here.

So you do what you have to do, to get here. You worry about the details later.

Millions of central and South Americans have been doing this for years. Many of those millions have been fortunate to get through the asylum system and become citizens, or at least on the official path to citizenship. Many were not so fortunate and are still waiting for the process to work for them.

Until the last few years, when the rules changed. Now there are more people for whom the process cannot and will not work. But they don't know that til they show up and try. They have to try. To do otherwise would mean slavery, rape, death.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Bucco

Seems some must have someone to hate and immigrants are one of the selected. Must make some feel special.

Immigrants are but the latest...as to being the focal point of hatred.

Black people, from before we were even a nation, have been the focus of hate and discrimination...from the very beginning.

It's still hard to grasp what kind of ignorance/animals/hate it would take, for the FF's to determine that someone, simply because they were born with black skin...were only three fifths of a human being.

And then in Dred Scott, for the Supreme Court to rule that blacks...could never become American citizens.

And that feeling persists, possibly in even larger numbers...to this very day.

[JulieER]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

That's a topic for another thread. I'm waiting for an explanation on why they keep coming, legal or illegal, if this country is so racist and oppressive.

Because theirs is worse!! Corrupt governments, lack of jobs, lack of access to food, murders, violence, zero opportunities.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by JulieER

Because theirs is worse!! Corrupt governments, lack of jobs, lack of access to food, murders, violence, zero opportunities.

And the 17 million who came here from Canada and Europe in last 20 years?

[Annie66]

Originally Posted by Dgizzi

Well said...paperwork? What paperwork is being done since all of them come here illegally. They don’t want to do paperwork cause then they have to pay taxes

Oh please ….. do you honestly think that is the reason? If so, I recommend you study the issue harder.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

I can only conclude that all the immigrants that keep coming here are complete idiots, or masochists, probably both.

Well, it’s sad that that is the only conclusion you can draw. It’s sad that you don’t see how desperate people can be just for a chance at mere survival.

Our subsidized food industry has destroyed the economies of third-world countries. People there used to be able to make an adequate, but hardly luxurious, living as subsistence farmers. Now it costs them more to buy what they need to grow their own crops than it does to buy food from the industrial farmers of the US. But, there are few jobs there to earn the money to buy even the cheap food, so they come to the US out of desperation.

It’s sad that you don’t see how desperate people can be to escape the violence of the cartels that supply Americans with drugs.

It’s sad that you don’t see how the US’s desire for favorable trade or suppression of communism results in violence when we support ruthless dictators. “He may be an SOB, but he’s our SOB.”

It’s sad how you and many Americans don’t see that despite the despicable way we treat people who come here because they have no other choice if they just want to survive that it’s not nearly as bad as what they would face at home. You see them as “rapists and thieves,” but in reality, most are hard-working people who love their families. Yes, I’m sure some of them are “rapists and thieves,” but just like it is for us, such are the exception and not the rule. As some of us are “rapists and thieves,” how would you like people in other countries to treat all of us they way we treat the tragically desperate people who come here because they see the US as their only hope for survival?

If you want to slow the immigration, encourage your government to end food subsidies, to legalize drugs, and to stop interfering in third-world politics. We caused this problem and only we can end it.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

And the 17 million who came here from Canada and Europe in last 20 years?

...are mostly white.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Windguy

Well, it’s sad that that is the only conclusion you can draw. It’s sad that you don’t see how desperate people can be just for a chance at mere survival.

Our subsidized food industry has destroyed the economies of third-world countries. People there used to be able to make an adequate, but hardly luxurious, living as subsistence farmers. Now it costs them more to buy what they need to grow their own crops than it does to buy food from the industrial farmers of the US. But, there are few jobs there to earn the money to buy even the cheap food, so they come to the US out of desperation.

It’s sad that you don’t see how desperate people can be to escape the violence of the cartels that supply Americans with drugs.

It’s sad that you don’t see how the US’s desire for favorable trade or suppression of communism results in violence when we support ruthless dictators. “He may be an SOB, but he’s our SOB.”

It’s sad how you and many Americans don’t see that despite the despicable way we treat people who come here because they have no other choice if they just want to survive that it’s not nearly as bad as what they would face at home. You see them as “rapists and thieves,” but in reality, most are hard-working people who love their families. Yes, I’m sure some of them are “rapists and thieves,” but just like it is for us, such are the exception and not the rule. As some of us are “rapists and thieves,” how would you like people in other countries to treat all of us they way we treat the tragically desperate people who come here because they see the US as their only hope for survival?

It's sad that you could not detect the sarcasm dripping from that sentence, even after it has been explained several times in this thread.

[mk1126]

Can we have the Morses ( They'll take the money out of "The Bond" and "the Amenity Fees") to build a huge wall around The Villages!

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by Alana33

The only indigenous peoples are Native American Indians

I agree with your sentiment, but there are no indigenous people. Those you are referring to are merely the first immigrants. Canadiens call them the First Nations. I like that better than Native Americans. And they came in many waves.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

The USA is not the best country - it leads the world in very few indicators of health, wealth or well-being. Watch Jeff Daniels on "Newsroom"

Yeah, but have you ever been to Norway in the winter? ;-)

[LiverpoolWalrus]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Congratulations! You were able to detect the subtle sarcasm dripping from the last sentence in my post.

GoodLife, I picked up on your sarcasm and irony right away. I'm not too surprised that not everyone did. In my many years of online discussions, I've noticed many people are very literal. I even posted a few times that gullible is not in the dictionary and I'd get replies proving me wrong.

That said, I know you are too smart not to be able to answer your own question: As hard as life is sometimes in this country, it pales in comparison to the dire conditions they're trying to flee.

[Windguy]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

It's sad that you could not detect the sarcasm dripping from that sentence, even after it has been explained several times in this thread.

Did it not occur to you that I didn’t read the entire forum before I responded? As most of us don’t know you, might I suggest you use a winky face to let people know when you are being sarcastic? I can’t see your face to know. I can only read your words. But, I apologize for directing my comments at you personally. I should have been less specific.

Still, my response is appropriate with respect to all who unsarcastically believe such things. And that is true for MANY people. I’ve heard people say such things in earnest and it sickens me.

[Nipper]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Every year about a million immigrants are admitted to America legally. We get more immigrants than any country on Earth. Not easy, lots of paperwork, costs money, millions are denied. Estimates of illegal immigrants in the country are 10-12 million, lots of them are minorities. They'll brave deserts, walk over mountains, swim rivers, die of thirst and starvation, and pay thousands of dollars to their guides. If they get caught and deported, they do it all over again and again.

What the heck are they thinking? I see people on this forum telling us how racist this country is, how "systemic oppression" grinds minorities to dust and despair, and our economic system is designed to crush the weak. Plus our police are racists brutes who like to beat people up.

I can only conclude that all the immigrants that keep coming here are complete idiots, or masochists, probably both.

How self centered you are. How do you think you got here? Every single one of us has an ancestor who arrived in this county as an immigrant and did not speak English. I know mine did. They came from Germany in 1710 and did not speak English. People hated them for that reason. I have a privately published book of my family's history, and it is fascinating to know that what goes around, comes around.