[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Not sure why you'd even ask such a thing.

On the contrary...you know exactly why.

The reason we still have institutional racism/bigotry/xenophobia is because at a minimum...a lot of people just don't want to see it.

Then there are those folks on the other end...who like it that way.

It's pretty easy to tell...who those people are.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

On the contrary...you know exactly why.

The reason we still have institutional racism/bigotry/xenophobia is because at a minimum...a lot of people just don't want to see it.

Then there are those folks on the other end...who like it that way.

It's pretty easy to tell...who those people are.

There it is, we have 40 million immigrants, millions more every year, and they just don't want to see it. If only they could talk to certain people, then I'm sure they would stop coming.

[anothersteve]

There are people that really have a hard time with the terms legal and illegal. Excuse the expression, but it's black and white.

Steve

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

There are people that really have a hard time with the terms legal and illegal. Excuse the expression, but it's black and white.

Steve

Yes very true. But please don't derail the discussion about why immigrants keep coming in spite of the racism and oppression.

We already have one really good answer. They just don't see it.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

On the contrary...you know exactly why.

The reason we still have institutional racism/bigotry/xenophobia is because at a minimum...a lot of people just don't want to see it.

Then there are those folks on the other end...who like it that way.

It's pretty easy to tell...who those people are.

A whole lot of people look for anything they can label as racism/bigotry/xenophobia regardless whether it is or not. They see only what they want to see.

[Dgizzi]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Every year about a million immigrants are admitted to America legally. We get more immigrants than any country on Earth. Not easy, lots of paperwork, costs money, millions are denied. Estimates of illegal immigrants in the country are 10-12 million, lots of them are minorities. They'll brave deserts, walk over mountains, swim rivers, die of thirst and starvation, and pay thousands of dollars to their guides. If they get caught and deported, they do it all over again and again.

What the heck are they thinking? I see people on this forum telling us how racist this country is, how "systemic oppression" grinds minorities to dust and despair, and our economic system is designed to crush the weak. Plus our police are racists brutes who like to beat people up.

I can only conclude that all the immigrants that keep coming here are complete idiots, or masochists, probably both.

Well said...paperwork? What paperwork is being done since all of them come here illegally. They don’t want to do paperwork cause then they have to pay taxes

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Dgizzi

Well said...paperwork? What paperwork is being done since all of them come here illegally. They don’t want to do paperwork cause then they have to pay taxes

About a million immigrants are admitted every year legally, with paperwork. Millions more get denied for one reason or another. Millions more come every year illegally.

One thing we know for sure, lots and lots of people from all over the world want to come and live in America.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

PS love ur new tagline, hilarious!

Thanks, I just need to work on all those fancy colors available.
Steve

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

About a million immigrants are admitted every year legally, with paperwork. Millions more get denied for one reason or another. Millions more come every year illegally.

One thing we know for sure, lots and lots of people from all over the world want to come and live in America.

And millions of those here illegally have fake social security cards, and get legitimate jobs and pay actual real federal income taxes, and social security tax, and medicare tax, and in some cases, state and local income tax as well.

Why do they come? Because they are FROM countries that are even worse than we are. That doesn't make us any good at all. It just means we're not as bad as Venezuela, Panama, parts of Mexico, Columbia, the rest of South America, or Syria or other parts of the world that are war-torn.

America isn't great. It's merely "not as bad" as many other places.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

Thanks, I just need to work on all those fancy colors available.
Steve

Yes you do, also use lots of smilies like this one when you say something especially clever.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And millions of those here illegally have fake social security cards, and get legitimate jobs and pay actual real federal income taxes, and social security tax, and medicare tax, and in some cases, state and local income tax as well.

Why do they come? Because they are FROM countries that are even worse than we are. That doesn't make us any good at all. It just means we're not as bad as Venezuela, Panama, parts of Mexico, Columbia, the rest of South America, or Syria or other parts of the world that are war-torn.

America isn't great. It's merely "not as bad" as many other places.

That's strange, in the last 20 years we've had over 17 million legal immigrants from Europe and Canada. They must have come hear cuz "it's not as bad"

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

And millions of those here illegally have fake social security cards, and get legitimate jobs and pay actual real federal income taxes, and social security tax, and medicare tax, and in some cases, state and local income tax as well.

My wife worked for a large mall management company in their payroll department. The illegals that worked for them knew that if they claimed the max number of dependents that there would be no taxes taken from their paycheck. They paid no federal income tax. I imagine that state and local taxes work the same way. A whole lot of the illegals get paid under the table so no tax is paid by them.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

My wife worked for a large mall management company in their payroll department. The illegals that worked for them knew that if they claimed the max number of dependents that there would be no taxes taken from their paycheck. They paid no federal income tax. I imagine that state and local taxes work the same way. A whole lot of the illegals get paid under the table so no tax is paid by them.

The ones who claim the max amount - STILL pay medicare and social security tax. No one is exempt from that, except certain civil servants and religious organization employees.

The ones who get paid under the table, are being paid by employers who are breaking the law by employing them.

Also, people are not illegal. Their actions are legal or illegal - but the people themselves are not illegal. They really are actual people. Their existence as "people" is 100% legitimate.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Also, people are not illegal. Their actions are legal or illegal - but the people themselves are not illegal. They really are actual people. Their existence as "people" is 100% legitimate.

So with that train of thought there are no felons, rapists, child molesters, arsonists, murderers, domestic offenders...............
Their actions are just " legal or illegal" also? Yep they sure are just carbon units.
Calgon ................take me away!
Steve

[Get real]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

On the contrary...you know exactly why.

The reason we still have institutional racism/bigotry/xenophobia is because at a minimum...a lot of people just don't want to see it.

Then there are those folks on the other end...who like it that way.

It's pretty easy to tell...who those people are.

Who would that be?