[Byte1]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

What makes you think that there aren't any black people doing something constructive, not destructive? What makes you think there isn't any black leadership organization, or civil service organization comprised primarily of blacks?

These things already exist. You just haven't ever heard of them. Why haven't you? Probably because you never really cared, until just now.

It's okay - I didn't either. I'm not black, and I never cared about white or non-specific civil service organizations either, so not caring about black ones seems pretty reasonable.

Here's the Grand Council of Guardians - which is EXACTLY the thing you are complaining that black people haven't ever done:

About | Grand Council of Guardians

That's just the first one I found. It is specific to New York State. I'm sure there are others all over the country, but I wanted to find at least one, so there it is.

Perhaps I did not make my post clear. I apologize.
I did not say there are no BLACK organizations. I said that I do not see any of them standing up to the miscreants that are destroying property, looting, killing their own as well as the police. Let's face it, when white's intervene, even with the best intentions, it is taken as a form of control or aggression. If Black Lives truly Matter to them, then why not show it by policing their own, instead of criticizing law enforcement when they are attempting to do an honest job of preserving the peace? That is a rhetorical question, not requiring an answer. It's probably prudent NOT to assume one's race, just because he or she enters a conversation dealing with the Black situation being discussed by predominantly white posters.

[OhioBuckeye]

I didn't hear anything about this but I believe you! I just can't believe they would let anyone do this. If this was anyone of us, they would of put you in the hospital for this or they wouldn't let any of these terrorist in the W.H. & vandalize anything in there. I just think they're not tough enough because they're bowing down to these kids & giving them anything they want. Seriously what's going to happen if this happens again? Can't believe they're that scared to do anything. If the protester get to tough get tougher & don't let them push the police around. I trust the police more than I do our govt. right now! God Bless the people of the U.S.

[kathy1516]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

BLM, the organization, doesn't have a president. And its three co-founders are women. I don't know who you saw on TV but it definitely wasn't the BLM president. If you have even that little detail wrong, imagine how wrong you might be about everything else.

Oh contraire! He was President of BLM. You need to watch real news to get the truth.

[kathy1516]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

And they too, were just a small %...of the overall number of protestors.

Thank you for making my point.


P.S. I have NEVER, nor will EVER, "eagerly (or otherwise) defend" the criminals...who are looting/arsonists/promote violence.

In every one of your posts you seem to understand the reasons they do this and defend the cause. You continually state these are small percentages. You may see it as small but I’d like to know how you’d feel about this if it hit you personally?

[kathy1516]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The man you're talking about is the chair of the greater New York Chapter. He is not "the leader" and he is most certainly not the President of the BLM, which doesn't HAVE a president. I was posting in response to someone who was in a tizzy because of what he/she claimed was the (not a, but the) president (not a leader or chairman, but president) of the BLM (not a local chapter of it but of the entirety of it).

But keep responding to things people aren't saying. It just proves that some people would prefer to devolve civil discussion into fighting and division, because staying on point and discussing actual issues is too hard - or might prove to create change that they fear.

No tizzy orange. What difference doesn’t it make if it’s the president of NYC chapter or the whole organization? These are well funded thugs to do exactly what they are paid to do which is to Cause anarchy and further Division. He is president.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by kathy1516

In every one of your posts you seem to understand the reasons they do this and defend the cause. You continually state these are small percentages. You may see it as small but I’d like to know how you’d feel about this if it hit you personally?

It IS a small % and once again, show a single post where I have supported/condoned illegal/criminal actions...by anyone.

One single post.

The difference between us it seems, is that I would feel the exact same way if I were the victim of a crime...regardless of who did it.

I would be pretty ticked off and, quite frankly, grateful if it were only money/property affected...which can be replaced.

Now my question for you, why does it appear and sound like that you would take greater outrage, if you were a victim of a crime by someone that was in a protest group...particularly if they didn't have same skin color as yourself?

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Bellavita

I think someone is trying to make the BLM movement look bad. It is a common fact most Americans know very little of history.

BLM is doing a great job of making themselves look bad

[Barborv]

Bikeracer, Bingo! These organizations have an agenda, to create a new world order under their ideologies. They want to re-crate America, and do away with our history.
I think we should all protest for PIGEONS LIVES MATTER. STOP DESTROYING OUR STATUES!!

[kathy1516]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

It IS a small % and once again, show a single post where I have supported/condoned illegal/criminal actions...by anyone.

One single post.

The difference between us it seems, is that I would feel the exact same way if I were the victim of a crime...regardless of who did it.

I would be pretty ticked off and, quite frankly, grateful if it were only money/property affected...which can be replaced.

Now my question for you, why does it appear and sound like that you would take greater outrage, if you were a victim of a crime by someone that was in a protest group...particularly if they didn't have same skin color as yourself?

No, the difference in us is that I see movements such as this a danger to the structure of America. Our forefathers had the foresight to establish guidelines to prevent this from happening. Unfortunately, this structure is being destroyed by well funded subversive groups that are trying to destroy American history and replace it with their reconstruction of America.

[Northwoods]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

It IS a small % and once again, show a single post where I have supported/condoned illegal/criminal actions...by anyone.

One single post.

The difference between us it seems, is that I would feel the exact same way if I were the victim of a crime...regardless of who did it.

I would be pretty ticked off and, quite frankly, grateful if it were only money/property affected...which can be replaced.

Now my question for you, why does it appear and sound like that you would take greater outrage, if you were a victim of a crime by someone that was in a protest group...particularly if they didn't have same skin color as yourself?

I've seen both black and white protesters peacefully marching to affect change in the BLM movement.
I've seen both back and white rioters loot businesses and throw bottles at police.

Your question was "Why... would you take greater outrage if you were a victim of a crime by someone in a protest group if they didn't have the same skin color as yourself?"
The only person who is making this about color... is you.

[Nucky]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

I've seen both black and white protesters peacefully marching to affect change in the BLM movement.
I've seen both back and white rioters loot businesses and throw bottles at police.

Your question was "Why... would you take greater outrage if you were a victim of a crime by someone in a protest group if they didn't have the same skin color as yourself?"
The only person who is making this about color... is you.

Hey Northwoods, YOU NAILED IT!

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by kathy1516

No, the difference in us is that I see movements such as this a danger to the structure of America. Our forefathers had the foresight to establish guidelines to prevent this from happening.

Say what?

What exactly are the "guidelines" that the "FF's had the foresight to prevent from happening?"

Surely, you don't mean the...FIRST AMENDMENT to the Bill Of Rights?

Originally Posted by kathy1516

Unfortunately, this structure is being destroyed by well funded subversive groups that are trying to destroy American history and replace it with their reconstruction of America.

1. Who is supposedly doing the "well-funding?"

2. Which "subversive groups"...are they funding?

3. Do you have even a scintilla of actual proof (fringe/lunatic conspiracy sites don't count )...to either 1 or 2?

4. You really believe, that statues & monuments erected of traitors to this nation, solely to intimidate blacks during the Jim Crow era (long after the end of the Civil War)...is the only thing that constitutes "history?"




5. Are you familiar with those other things, besides statues/monuments to traitors and losers, called...history books?

I'm always interested in learning new things, so am very anxious...in seeing your specific answers.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

I've seen both black and white protesters peacefully marching to affect change in the BLM movement.
I've seen both back and white rioters loot businesses and throw bottles at police.

Your question was "Why... would you take greater outrage if you were a victim of a crime by someone in a protest group if they didn't have the same skin color as yourself?"

The only person who is making this about color... is you.

Not only is that false (take a peek at recent threads, meant to denigrate black people), but you also don't have the luxury of seeing the previous posts...that have been deleted.

I'm actually encouraged that you recognize that Black Lives Matter is constituted of both white and black protestors...as not everyone seems to understand that.

I'll be interested to see if you help correct the next person who denigrates just the black folks...in the BLM movement.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Nucky

Hey Northwoods, YOU NAILED IT!

Hi Nucky...how ya doing?


Great to see you posting out here.

[Northwoods]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Not only is that false (take a peek at recent threads, meant to denigrate black people), but you also don't have the luxury of seeing the previous posts...that have been deleted.

I'm actually encouraged that you recognize that Black Lives Matter is constituted of both white and black protestors...as not everyone seems to understand that.

I'll be interested to see if you help correct the next person who denigrates just the black folks...in the BLM movement.

OK. Let me revise my comment. When you say "Why... would you take greater outrage if you were a victim of a crime by someone in a protest group if they didn't have the same skin color as yourself?" I feel that you are making it about race.

Again... I truly believe there are many black and white (and asian. etc) people who feel very strongly that black people are not treated fairly. They are peacefully protesting.

I don't think the solution is easy by any means. Or something that can be solved "overnight."

But we're not moving toward finding solutions if we continue to goad people who post opinions that are in opposition to yours.