[OrangeBlossomBaby]

The Sunrise movement was created in response to the climate change issue. Has nothing to do with tearing down statues or rioting.

Momentum is an organization that helps other organizers - organize. They give them the tools to do what they already are planning to do, by teaching them effective strategies. It's like any other organizational or motivational or public relations company.

[wisbad1]

Only in America the victims have no rights, soon as some one does a crime they have more rights than the person they robbed or killed. Only ones who come out ahead or the lawyers. Win or lose they win.

[Northwoods]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I guess the word "some" tripped you up a bit. Sorry.

Meanwhile, back in the real world, there are absolutely positively people who show up just to stir the pot. That's kinda what I already posted that you seem to be claiming to disagree with, by saying the same thing using different words.

And sure some of those well-intentioned people will get angry and fight back, if a group of ill-intentioned NON-protesters show up with torches, or sticks, or knives, or KKK patches, or nazi signs, or rifles, or whatever else they do when they show up at these things intending to stir things up.

Personally if it were me, I'd run. But I have no problem admitting to cowardice in the face of violence. I don't have the stomach for it. But in a crowd of people peacefully protesting, when they are faced with violent people who are NOT protesting, moving them closer and closer together (herding them) and manipulating their movements, it's inevitable that at some point - someone is going to start shoving back.

People who show up to stir things up know this. That's why they do it.

I agree with you. I actually believe that there are many, many peaceful protesters who are protesting because they truly believe Black people are targeted by police and treated unfairly. They are not violent.
But I do think there are people who will show up to any "protest" (BLM, Chick Fil A should be open on Sunday, mom jeans should be outlawed) because they are opportunistic. They want to loot and steal merchandise. They want to throw objects at authority. They want to burn down buildings.
I don't believe the majority are part of any organized group (Nazi, KKK etc), I just think they are kids that want to stir the pot.
It's unfortunate they create all this chaos because it does detract from what BLM is trying to achieve.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Bikeracer2009

If you really want to know why statues with no ties to racism are being destroyed.

The simple answer is to take away your heroes.

Training young people to advance your cause is important to transformational change. A company called Momentum can train your staff to increase it's collective power and shift the terrain under policymakers feet.

Momentum Community dot org is their website.

Escalation training to force the question which side are you on?

Active popular support. When people are activated, and refuse to cooperate with justice in massive numbers, they win.

Absorption. Scale up the movement.

Recent clients, BLM, Dream and Occupy Wall Street.

Another organization to look at is the Sunrise Movement.

I'm not saying they are apart of the blm but some people say they are. A video on YouTube put together by "Planet Humans" claims they are and the video is convincing to me. I have not researched the channel/group or the information they claim.

The title of their video is "Undercover Investigation - Minneapolis Riots Was Planned"

Another video to watch if you're interested is from Joe Rogan. The video is Joe Rogan Experience #1494 Bret Weinstein.

I do support the ideals of blm but not the violence etc.

It sounds like you're interested in educating yourself.

If that means you're actually open to ALL forms of education, and hopefully not just that which satisfies confirmation bias, I strongly encourage you to watch this award winning documentary on NETFLIX called...

13TH (Click Here)

13th is a 2016 American documentary by director Ava DuVernay. The film explores the "intersection of race, justice, and mass incarceration in the United States;"[3] it is titled after the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, adopted in 1865, which abolished slavery throughout the United States and ended involuntary servitude except as a punishment for conviction of a crime.

DuVernay contends that slavery has been perpetuated since the end of the American Civil War through criminalizing behavior and enabling police to arrest poor freedmen and force them to work for the state under convict leasing; suppression of African Americans by disenfranchisement, lynchings, and Jim Crow; politicians declaring a war on drugs that weighs more heavily on minority communities and, by the late 20th century, mass incarceration of people of color in the United States.

She examines the prison-industrial complex and the emerging detention-industrial complex, discussing how much money is being made by corporations from such incarcerations.

13th garnered acclaim from a number of film critics.

It was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Documentary Feature at the 89th Academy Awards, and won the Primetime Emmy Award for Outstanding Documentary or Nonfiction Special at the 69th Primetime Emmy Awards.

Then I would respectfully ask that you come come back and try to say, that you didn't learn a whole lot from it...or even that some of your views haven't changed.

Thank you.

[mtdjed]

People promoting riots keep calling them protests. They are the ones who are the blame for this madness.

[TexaninVA]

Originally Posted by Northwoods

Last night in Madison, WI a group of 200 to 300 protesters brought down statues on the grounds of the Capitol.

One of the statues decapitated and dragged into a lake was of Civil War Col. Hans Christian Heg. Heg was an anti-slavery activist and leader of an anti-slave catcher militia in Wisconsin who fought for the Union.

If BLM protesters are vandalizing statues of slave owners, obviously Madison protesters need a history lesson.

Also, Democratic WI State Sen. Tim Carpenter, was assaulted after taking a cellphone video of protesters. "Punched/kicked in the head, neck, ribs," Carpenter tweeted around 4 a.m. "Maybe concussion, socked in left eye is little blurry, sore neck & ribs. 8-10 people attacked me. Innocent people are going to get killed. Stop violence now Plz!"

I'm trying to figure out how any of this is an attempt to further the Black Lives Matter Movement.

It's morphing into a Marxist slow-motion revolution. BLM is the thought leader in this effort whereas Antifa is the street muscle.

"At some point the conservative side is going to reach a boiling point and respond kinetically. Shaun King, BLM leader, said it's now time to remove statues of the "White Jesus and his European Mother" from American churches. That will be the spark where even the timid will consider their 2nd amendment options.

[coalminer]

Peaceful protests get you, chastised, berated, and ignored. Ask Colin Kaepernick

[J1ceasar]

"Mob mentality" if others do it, I can to .

[Chatbrat]

These people go back to the"weather underground" of the 1960's, all they care about is the total destruction of the system, so in can be rebuilt in their Marxist utopia minds

They have the gaul to try and rip down the statue of Grant who besides defeating the confederacy, also used our military to destroy the KKK in Ga.

Its a shame most people of color don't know the true history of the democratic party--the KKK was founded to disenfranchise blacks from voting in the south--Woodrow Wilson--endorsed the KKK

The same goes for American Jews, who don't know the true history of the democratic party--Roosevelt was surrounded by anti-semites, denied admission of the St'Louis to the U.S. and the publisher of the NY Times-Sulzberger denied mentioning the holocaust, even tough he was given proof of its existence--

Useful idiots are the first people to visit re-education camps after a real revolution

[Neils]

I support honest hard working Americans that are generally law abiding, have Christian faith and values, striving to improve their lives and communities every day. Those who have charity in their hearts and care about others. Those who do not live their lives focused on color or finding differences and grievances based on color.

This is what America is built on, and why we live in the greatest country in the world.

My vote is to push back hard on the thugs and anyone that is trying to destroy America. That includes the Nazi, KKK, Antifa, Socialists, Communists, Panthers, Weather Underground, Russia, N Korea, China, Iran, and G Sorros.

[Micki]

This is about satan helping his children to run rampant and commit lawlessness. This is what Paul talks about in 2 Timothy 3. This is what it was like just before Noah entered into the safety of the ark. We are at the end of the age and things will get worse until Jesus comes.

For any who don’t have a relationship with Jesus, now is the time to ask Him to save you! You don’t want to be around for what’s next. If you want to know how much worse it gets, start reading at Revelation 6.

[Girlcopper]

Originally Posted by davem4616

it stopped being about Mr. Floyd's death and BLM awhile ago...this is now about creating chaos and mindless destruction

but that's just my opinion...and we don't watch the news anymore

Verytrue. These animals couldnt care less about BLM or anything else. They are thugs, thieves and most of them have always acted like this. This is nothing new for them, its just an excuse to rob and beat people.
Put simply. You and I are good law abiding citizens. We have jobs (or are retired) and made our own way in life. If you protested about some issue, would you ever break store windows, loot them, randomly pick people to beat, destroy national statues etc etc? NO. Because we are good people not savages. These people need to return to their caves or cages. Point made!

[timcarnicom]

The last statement from the original poster is "I'm trying to figure out how any of this is an attempt to further the Black Lives Matter Movement".

All the discussion in this thread is what group is responsible, BLM, white nations or whoever, who cares what group it is. I'm trying to figure out why and how they are getting away with this no matter what group it is. This is destruction of state government property and nobody is trying to stop them. And that really shouldn't matter either, last I knew destruction of any property that doesn't belong to you is a crime, arson is a crime, vandalism is a crime, assault is a crime etc etc. The police and national guard need to be called up to stop this now before it gets even more out of control and is unstoppable and it blows my mind why that doesn't happen but I think we know why it isn't happening. I don't like to make this political but it is political. I don't think it matters who the president is or whatever party, the destruction will happen. The response to the destruction is what is political and it's all about the election, who can make who look bad is what it's all about.

[stadry]

i'm 78 &, if Jesus is returning, Ii'd like to be here to see Him before i have to leave. in the meantime, brother sig sauer & cousin ruger are my best friends - especially in our home.

any attempt to understand the current bru-ha-ha only legitimizes it as 'protest',,, while some may protest, i believe many are paid anarchists

follow the $ - donate to blm & see where the $ actually wind up

why don't looters ever steal work boots ?

[allsport]

You are so correct and the amount of so called violence(taking down racist statues), is run over and over on conservative stations and remains a very small portion of the protests and the riots are usually created by thug cops attacking the protestors. I was asked about how safe my son was in Seattle and I said what are you talking about? My son said the area made police free is a big love fest with people partying all day long. Yes, there was a shooting in the middle of the night when people were drunk and the EMS inside the zone had already taken the victims to the hospital before the police got there. He said it was a shooting that normally would never make the national news until fear mongers got a hold of it.