[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by kenoc7

Unfortunately, situations like this can devolve into mindless acts by some people. They aren't representative of the great majority of the protesters.

Have you read any of the earliest posts? If so, then you know there are many different people, with many different reasons for being there. Unfortunately, many of the ones who believe they ALL are there for the purpose of peaceably protesting against tyranny are being put in harms way since others are there to destroy property
and create chaos. I call all of them thugs but even the FBI knows there are a variety of ideologies sharing similar goals within the crowd. It’s simpler but still accurate to just call them all thugs. The thugs use the protesters for cover from the police. Their goal is to harm capitalism, destroy history and culture and test the American resolve. Ultimately they want our democracy to end. They want socialism. The end of America.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by kathy1516

These are uneducated bums with no goals or any desire for a better future for themselves. They are spoiled, have no responsibility, no accountability for their actions and most of all NO RESPECT for authority. I saw the president of BLM on TV in an interview yesterday. He spoke like a street thug, looked like a street thug, is a street thug. He unequivocally stated that if they didn’t get what they want, they would burn society down. They demean the blacks that are honest and truly are trying to make a difference. The only hope for these thugs is bringing back the draft. For both make and female. They need to learn respect for authority, they need discipline, and learn how to function as a team.
God help us. This anarchy needs to stop!

BLM, the organization, doesn't have a president. And its three co-founders are women. I don't know who you saw on TV but it definitely wasn't the BLM president. If you have even that little detail wrong, imagine how wrong you might be about everything else.

[ALadysMom]

To be clear, peaceable protesters are not the thugs. Thugs are the ones who destroy property, loot, set fires, and endanger others. They hide within & behind the protesters so police can’t easily deal with them without endangering the protesters.

If BLM actually cared about anyone, they would take a hard stand on this but they don’t because it serves their underlying purpose which has absolutely nothing to do with racial justice.

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

Have you read any of the earliest posts? If so, then you know there are many different people, with many different reasons for being there. Unfortunately, many of the ones who believe they ALL are there for the purpose of peaceably protesting against tyranny are being put in harms way since others are there to destroy property
and create chaos. I call all of them thugs but even the FBI knows there are a variety of ideologies sharing similar goals within the crowd. It’s simpler but still accurate to just call them all thugs. The thugs use the protesters for cover from the police. Their goal is to harm capitalism, destroy history and culture and test the American resolve. Ultimately they want our democracy to end. They want socialism. The end of America.

I was with you until you mentioned "socialism". I do not believe that is the goal of all of this stuff at all.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

BLM, the organization, doesn't have a president. And its three co-founders are women. I don't know who you saw on TV but it definitely wasn't the BLM president. If you have even that little detail wrong, imagine how wrong you might be about everything else.

The truth is not open to spin:

The interview was aired Wednesday.

He identified himself as BLM “leader” His name was curiously not said nor was it displayed.

Black Lives Matter leader states if US 'doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system' | Fox News

His statement that “we will BURN down this SYSTEM” is ALL that really matters.

(Martha McCallum looked like she’d been slapped.)

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Since the actual words I posted were obviously invisible the last time I posted, I am quoting my own post, and bolding and underlining for emphasis.

SOME people..are something.
And THOSE particular people..are something.

Which also means that "SOME OTHER people might also be the same thing but in this particular post, I'm singling out this specific group, that I have chosen to call SOME."

i get it. there's plenty of people on both sides looking to stir up anger, hate & whatever else they can throw in the mix, just for the sake of doing it

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by coalminer

Peaceful protests get you, chastised, berated, and ignored. Ask Colin Kaepernick

I don't recall MLK inciting riots. He accomplished quite a lot with peaceful protest. When someone starts rioting, burning and assaulting they have lost my sympathy and support and will never get it back. It will only set me against them even more vehemently.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

BLM, the organization, doesn't have a president. And its three co-founders are women. I don't know who you saw on TV but it definitely wasn't the BLM president. If you have even that little detail wrong, imagine how wrong you might be about everything else.

it is trademarked now, however, & i can't remember the name of the lady who takes responsibility for the group, but it's online somewhere

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

The truth is not open to spin:

The interview was aired Wednesday.

He identified himself as BLM “leader” His name was curiously not said nor was it displayed.

Black Lives Matter leader states if US 'doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system' | Fox News

His statement that “we will BURN down this SYSTEM” is ALL that really matters.

(Martha McCallum looked like she’d been slapped.)

The man you're talking about is the chair of the greater New York Chapter. He is not "the leader" and he is most certainly not the President of the BLM, which doesn't HAVE a president. I was posting in response to someone who was in a tizzy because of what he/she claimed was the (not a, but the) president (not a leader or chairman, but president) of the BLM (not a local chapter of it but of the entirety of it).

But keep responding to things people aren't saying. It just proves that some people would prefer to devolve civil discussion into fighting and division, because staying on point and discussing actual issues is too hard - or might prove to create change that they fear.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I was with you until you mentioned "socialism". I do not believe that is the goal of all of this stuff at all.

If you find the word socialism objectionable, imagine how you’ll feel if they succeed.

Many are now and have been saying this for quite awhile. The difference is that now the thugs are acting on it. It’s no longer simply extremist rhetoric which can be dismissed or ignored.

June 4, 2020 Director of the FBI Wray said this about the destructive rioters, “ We’re seeing people who are exploiting this situation to pursue violent, extremist agendas—anarchists like Antifa and other agitators. These individuals have set out to sow discord and upheaval, rather than join in the righteous pursuit of equality and justice. And by driving us apart, they are“

What do you think
ANTI-fa means? Their goal is socialist government in America.
For those of you who don’t know & may be under-estimating them

Who is Antifa?
BBC Radio 4 - Seriously…, Seriously... - Seven things you need to know about Antifa

Except Antifa are hypocrites since they are fascists themselves because they often won’t allow conservatives to speak

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

When everyone has everything they need, and no one needs anything they don't have, there's no need for an efficiently functioning economy. That is the primary goal of socialism. To eliminate need, because everyone already has.

No need for an efficiently functioning economy is a good thing in your mind? If everyone already had what they needed they would not have it for long.

Would lead to a world with no advances at all in anything.

[donfey]

Originally Posted by Fredman

You obviously are not seeing what I see. I think if the members of BLM had jobs there would not be so many protests. I have had it with the protests.

"Protesting" IS their job or, rather, violence and destruction is their job. The thugs show up any time there's an actual protest they can latch on to, with identical chants and tailor made signs, hell bent on the destruction of American society and, therefore, America itself. You can judge for yourself, if you're intellectually honest, where their funding comes from.

[Barborv]

These are organized political groups that want a new world order. Plain and simple. This is their goal.
And I say... PIGEON LIVES MATTER. STOP DESTROYING OUR STATUES!!!!!

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

The man you're talking about is the chair of the greater New York Chapter. He is not "the leader" and he is most certainly not the President of the BLM, which doesn't HAVE a president. I was posting in response to someone who was in a tizzy because of what he/she claimed was the (not a, but the) president (not a leader or chairman, but president) of the BLM (not a local chapter of it but of the entirety of it).

But keep responding to things people aren't saying. It just proves that some people would prefer to devolve civil discussion into fighting and division, because staying on point and discussing actual issues is too hard - or might prove to create change that they fear.

I repeated the position he claimed he had.

The knowledge you have of the BLM organization is most impressive.

Did you copy & paste this from their website?

“or might prove to create CHANGE They FEAR.”

Ok, Show of hands:

Who fears the “changes” of overthrow of our government, destruction of our culture, elimination of values, suppression of religion, centralized ownership of all capital, loss of ability to earn a living, loss of our liberties, ceasing our justice system and erasing way of life?

👋 yep. FEAR.

[ALadysMom]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

When everyone has everything they need, and no one needs anything they don't have, there's no need for an efficiently functioning economy. That is the primary goal of socialism. To eliminate need, because everyone already has.

^^^thought so

Glad you spoke up to remove all doubt.