[PugMom]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Well, don't be "concerned about this spike protein that the shot contains.", since it does not contain the spike protein. It is a mRNA vaccine that CODES for production of the spike protein that our immune systems recognize as foreign and raise antibodies against.

It also has nothing whatsoever to do with prion disease, so you're not getting Creutzfeldt-Jacob or Kuru from the vaccine. If you are very, very fat you might get BSE

thank you for your reply, i value your info.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Could you please explain how covid patients, who are not having surgery, are preventing others from having surgery?

They use completely different resources, staff, and facilities...

CV patients can have extremely long hospital stays, sometimes 30 to 40 days. Some parts of the country like in Missouri and Alabama are CV HOTSPOTS. The situation has gotten so bad that VISITING temporary (very expensive) nurses must be brought in. Rooms and even hallways are taken over by CV patients. ANY surgery recovery requires a room. In the last big surge, hospitals were putting up tents and calling on National Gaurd ships for help. Potential elective surgery patients see the hospitals in the current hot spots that are in disarray and they say, "no way, I am NOT going". So they cancel their elective surgery. My point IS that all this emergency disarray caused by the vaccine refusers IS costing individual hospitals AND overall society tremendously. It even has large-scale effects on national strength and unity.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Yeah, I'm gonna' disagree on that one...

So the need for an experimental jab is a better risk than using proven therapeutics where some work great as a prophylactic's....we do know spike proteins are toxic and that this jab does make the body create trillions of them.....not a safe method in my opinion.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

CV patients can have extremely long hospital stays, sometimes 30 to 40 days. Some parts of the country like in Missouri and Alabama are CV HOTSPOTS. The situation has gotten so bad that VISITING temporary (very expensive) nurses must be brought in. Rooms and even hallways are taken over by CV patients. ANY surgery recovery requires a room. In the last big surge, hospitals were putting up tents and calling on National Gaurd ships for help. Potential elective surgery patients see the hospitals in the current hot spots that are in disarray and they say, "no way, I am NOT going". So they cancel their elective surgery. My point IS that all this emergency disarray caused by the vaccine refusers IS costing individual hospitals AND overall society tremendously. It even has large-scale effects on national strength and unity.

And the hospital ship sailed away without really being used. And the temporary “hospitals” like those in the Javits Center also went virtually unused. But they made for really great news broadcasts and filled hours of airtime - successfully ramping up the panic…

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Swoop

And the hospital ship sailed away without really being used. And the temporary “hospitals” like those in the Javits Center also went virtually unused. But they made for really great news broadcasts and filled hours of airtime - successfully ramping up the panic…

They treated only 22 patients in the first few days after it docked on March 30, because of bureaucratic red tape and confusing military policies. By the time Cuomo told the fed "fuggedaboudit" and sent the ship back, almost a month later, it had treated fewer than 200 people total.

This was because of bad administration, poor coordination, and massive demonstration of utter apathy on the part of people who had the authority to DO something about it.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

CV patients can have extremely long hospital stays, sometimes 30 to 40 days. Some parts of the country like in Missouri and Alabama are CV HOTSPOTS. The situation has gotten so bad that VISITING temporary (very expensive) nurses must be brought in. Rooms and even hallways are taken over by CV patients. ANY surgery recovery requires a room. In the last big surge, hospitals were putting up tents and calling on National Gaurd ships for help. Potential elective surgery patients see the hospitals in the current hot spots that are in disarray and they say, "no way, I am NOT going". So they cancel their elective surgery. My point IS that all this emergency disarray caused by the vaccine refusers IS costing individual hospitals AND overall society tremendously. It even has large-scale effects on national strength and unity.

I agree everyone who can get vaccinated should. But when a group of legislators fly from Texas unmasked, and unvaccinated and spread the virus to our center of government it sends a mixed message at best.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by John41

I agree everyone who can get vaccinated should. But when a group of legislators fly from Texas unmasked, and unvaccinated and spread the virus to our center of government it sends a mixed message at best.

All three legislators who tested positive for Covid were FULLY vaccinated. And they tested positive AFTER they arrived in DC - which means they could've contracted it while they were in DC, and someone who actually lives in DC is the one spreading it.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

They treated only 22 patients in the first few days after it docked on March 30, because of bureaucratic red tape and confusing military policies. By the time Cuomo told the fed "fuggedaboudit" and sent the ship back, almost a month later, it had treated fewer than 200 people total.

This was because of bad administration, poor coordination, and massive demonstration of utter apathy on the part of people who had the authority to DO something about it.

Cuomo, wasn’t he the same guy who said that NY didn’t have enough ventilators and doctors would have to decide who would live or die. And as it turns out he didn’t even use the ventilators they had inventoried?? That also made for great fear mongering news…
And let’s not forget who forced nursing homes to accept Covid patients… Certainly you would consider that “was because of bad administration, poor coordination, and massive demonstration of utter apathy on the part of people who had the authority to DO something about it”…

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Swoop

And the hospital ship sailed away without really being used. And the temporary “hospitals” like those in the Javits Center also went virtually unused. But they made for really great news broadcasts and filled hours of airtime - successfully ramping up the panic…

The hospital ship sailed away because it was ordered there while in the middle of refurbishing, and once there was working with confusing directions that did nothing to help the situation. But, other than a cluster f from the beginning... yeah.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by Swoop

Cuomo, wasn’t he the same guy who said that NY didn’t have enough ventilators and doctors would have to decide who would live or die. And as it turns out he didn’t even use the ventilators they had inventoried?? That also made for great fear mongering news…
And let’s not forget who forced nursing homes to accept Covid patients… Certainly you would consider that “was because of bad administration, poor coordination, and massive demonstration of utter apathy on the part of people who had the authority to DO something about it”…

Deflection.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

as long as there are therapeutics that actually work well (which they are finding many), there is no need for a vaccine at all.

nope!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by drducat

So the need for an experimental jab is a better risk than using proven therapeutics where some work great as a prophylactic's....we do know spike proteins are toxic and that this jab does make the body create trillions of them.....not a safe method in my opinion.

Where in the world do you get your information? Please provide a link and in the words of another very respected poster on this forum, "Not from the Conspiracy Theory Weekly".

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Swoop

And the hospital ship sailed away without really being used. And the temporary “hospitals” like those in the Javits Center also went virtually unused. But they made for really great news broadcasts and filled hours of airtime - successfully ramping up the panic…

Rather than using the Javitz Center, to make room in hospitals, nursing home patients were sent back to their nursing homes, still infected with Covid. We all know how THAT ended up.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

They treated only 22 patients in the first few days after it docked on March 30, because of bureaucratic red tape and confusing military policies. By the time Cuomo told the fed "fuggedaboudit" and sent the ship back, almost a month later, it had treated fewer than 200 people total.

This was because of bad administration, poor coordination, and massive demonstration of utter apathy on the part of people who had the authority to DO something about it.

Yup!

[drducat]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Where in the world do you get your information? Please provide a link and in the words of another very respected poster on this forum, "Not from the Conspiracy Theory Weekly".

Here is one.

Israeli lab: Some existing drugs could stop COVID at almost 100% - The Jerusalem Post


Also Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine which the FDA has been called out on for false info.