[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I'm not so sure that is correct. The medical community knows more about this virus today than when this pandemic first hit us like a ton of bricks. There are treatments for the disease now that were not available when the first wave of people were dying of Covid-19.

Yeah, like Hydroxychloroquine...

Wait, what? Is that good or bad this week?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Interesting how the OP started with the possible long term side effects of the vaccine, and everyone wants to talk about the effects of the virus itself.
Of course, the vaccine has saved lives. That's a no-brainer. This is not a debate on whether or not the vaccine worked. It is about possible long term side effects.
My only concern was/is what the long term effects might be to children. Children have weathered this pandemic pretty well, over all. My suggestion has been that since they mostly seem to be handling the virus well, why subject them to something that may or may not be necessary. Is it really expedient that they should be vaccinated right this instant? My question is, can this wait until we know more about how this vaccine works with the other vaccines they have bombarded upon them at their early age. What might not have a long term effect on us "old" folks, might cause some long term side effects to them. Just wondering and speculating. I value my grandkids very much and hate to see a hasty decision made that might not be necessary. Knowing that these children have all kinds of inoculations before entering the school system, do we really know if this "new" serum will play nicely with the stuff being pumped into them already? Is there really a danger to the kids if they DON'T get the vaccination right now?

I do understand your concerns and they are very valid concerns. But.......my concern is that even children can transmit the disease when they are asymptomatic. The idea of children being one of the causes of mutations and more variants does not sit well with me.

We, as a community, as a nation as part of the global community, need to do everything we can to stop this virus from mutating and creating more variants. For this reason, children do need to be vaccinated. Why eliminate this segment of the population from doing their part to quell this pandemic?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

You're better than that.

I am sure you are aware that long-haul effects are those that have or will cause permanent changes or damage. From the moment you get it you are destined to no cure.

Some of these Covid long haulers have actually seen relief of their symptoms AFTER receiving an mRNA vaccine. Now THAT is very telling.

Why Vaccines May Be Helping Some With Long COVID > News > Yale Medicine

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Except the dead ones, and the ones with permanent lung/heart damage, and permanently compromised immune systems. They didn't weather the pandemic so great.


Yeah let's wait to see if they get sick and die in the next year from the current new strain, and future new strains. If they don't get sick and die, then we can uh - not vaccinate them since clearly they've weathered the pandemic. If they get sick and die, then uh - I guess we probably should've vaccinated them. Ooops.

I'll compare your reasoning to drowning women to see if they're witches. If they float, they're witches and you can execute them. If they're not witches, they'll drown. Woops.

Love ya, OBB.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

No, that is not what was reported. What was reported is that it is 225% more transmissable (I have not looked into the exact assumptions that went into that number) than the original strain and one study from China showed that infected people have a 1000 times higher average viral load in their respiratory system. That does not mean it is 1000 times more transmissable.

Delta Variant Is On The Rise. Here's How To Stay Safe And Protect Others : Shots - Health News : NPR

Honestly, that is not what I heard Dr. Scott Gotlied say on television but I certainly would prefer to believe your stats, that is for sure!!!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by worahm

Maybe not. My son came down with polio symptoms after taking the mandatory polio vaccine on a sugar cube many years ago.

There were days he could not get out of bed. Apparently, the weakened virus he received was not as weak as it was suppose to be. He is 60 years old and still experiences those symptoms.

We were informed he had no legal recourse.

So sorry your son was the victim of a manufacturer error. I read all about those 100,000 doses of the polio vaccine with virus that was not completely deactivated as it should have been. That mistake was tragic, but it was not fault of the vaccine in its true proper form.

[tuccillo]

Doubtful anyone said that. More likely you misinterpreted what he said.

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Honestly, that is not what I heard Dr. Scott Gotlied say on television but I certainly would prefer to believe your stats, that is for sure!!!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

This is a prime example of not understanding what you're reading...

The study stated the=at the Delta Variant may cause the infected person to carry 1000 Xs "the viral load"...

NOT that it is 1000 Xs more transmissible...

I didn't read that the Delta variant is 1000 X more transmissible. I heard Dr. Scott Gotlieb say it on the news on television. I just remember my eyes widened quite a bit when I heard it. I even played it back. I have no doubt, that is what I heard.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

But, but, but..... I like my "big words" almost as much as I like my rolling laughing little men

Love ya, GE.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Doubtful anyone said that. More likely you misinterpreted what he said.

Agree. I could have misinterpreted what he said. Having said that, one other poster on this thread mentioned the 1000 X transmissible statement by the doctor too. So, we both must have misinterpreted the doctor's statement.

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I do understand your concerns and they are very valid concerns. But.......my concern is that even children can transmit the disease when they are asymptomatic. The idea of children being one of the causes of mutations and more variants does not sit well with me.

We, as a community, as a nation as part of the global community, need to do everything we can to stop this virus from mutating and creating more variants. For this reason, children do need to be vaccinated. Why eliminate this segment of the population from doing their part to quell this pandemic?

If we can reach herd immunity at about 70% of the population vaccinated then the virus will die out by itself. Children do not have fully developed immunine systems like adults do and can have severe reactions. Nice you want to sacrifice kids though. NOT.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I didn't read that the Delta variant is 1000 X more transmissible. I heard Dr. Scott Gotlieb say it on the news on television. I just remember my eyes widened quite a bit when I heard it. I even played it back. I have no doubt, that is what I heard.

Then that Dr is an idiot...

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Then that Dr is an idiot...

No, Dr. Scott Gotlieb is not an idiot. I would bet that I was incorrect in what I heard him say so there is that. Tonight on the evening news with Lester Holt, it was said that the Delta variant has 1000X more viral load than the original virus. This is not good news. Either way, this Delta variant is the latest issue we are dealing with in this pandemic.

[Packer Fan]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Almost guaranteed it will have SOME long term side affects. And for some (few) those long term side affects will be serious.

Nothing is perfect. PERIOD. The issue is are the side affects worse than letting the virus run rampant throughout the country/world and mutating at will, into something with even worse long term affects on humanity.

Just my Not So Humble Opinion.

The only long term side effect is you won't die. You do realize that the reason trials are 2 months long is that that is the time period of the longest lasting side effect from ANY VACCINE EVER. Vaccines have been around for a long time.

On top of that these mRNA vaccines have to have a very specific adjuvant so they even stay around in your blood stream long enough to have an effect. Only two companies have figured this out to the point of a successful vaccine.

On top of that these are MUCH safer than older live or deactivated live vaccines because there is no possible way for your to get Covid from it.

You also realize you probably had 15 or more vaccines in your life? This is why infant mortality is a small fraction of what it used to be, and we are having the first pandemic in 100 years.

Stop listening to crazy's on the internet. Jeez I am so sick of this craziness

[Packer Fan]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

No, Dr. Scott Gotlieb is not an idiot. I would bet that I was incorrect in what I heard him say so there is that. Tonight on the evening news with Lester Holt, it was said that the Delta variant has 1000X more viral load than the original virus. This is not good news. Either way, this Delta variant is the latest issue we are dealing with in this pandemic.

That is not correct. According to most "experts" it is like 2.8 times. However, the vaccine is effective so who cares.

I will gaurantee you one thing - there will be a epsilon, zeta, eta, theta.....omega variant also until we all wake up to the fact they are just trying to scare us.

just look at the UK. Cases are almost as high as in January but almost no deaths. Why? Because the old people who die are vaccinated, and the young are passing it around and gaining immunity.

Don't be scared if you are vaccinated. If you are not vaccinated, may Darwin have mercy on you.

I was at the doctor yesterday for a sinus infection. I asked why he didn't test me for Covid. He said two reasons- you have the wrong symtoms and you are vaccinated. They have had hundreds of possitives in the past month and ZERO were vaccinated. He said he is convinced the variants don't matter and if everyone would just get vaccinated this would end.