[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by roscoguy

What is it with Sweden? The country as a whole did no better than fair with 542 deaths per million, making them 5th WORST in the world as of 7/15/20. Sweden Tops EU For New Cases But Says Virus Is Slowing
They fare much better in general than US citizens in categories including heart disease, diabetes, HBP & stroke - all supposed contributing factors to COVID deaths. They are also 'happier' than the US, ranking #7 in the world to our #19. With these factors taken into consideration, the Swedes didn't do all that well, it would seem.
Comparing Sweden to NY is also specious, at best. NY population is over 19 million, Sweden (with 5593 COVID deaths) is closer to Michigan (6355 deaths) or North Carolina (1606 deaths) in population at a bit over 10 million.
Coronavirus - Michigan Data
North Carolina Coronavirus Deaths Per Day

Graph is deaths per million. This means it is adjusted for POPULATION. New York is 2nd highest in the world, after New Jersey with over 1700 deaths per million. Sweden doesn't even make the top ten in the world. Swedes are happier than us? Bwahhaahha The virus doesn't care. Forget about the fact that many US states had far higher death rates per million than Sweden while they imposed lockdowns and masks, what's your theory for why the rise and fall of cases and deaths looks exactly the same?

Next?

Countries and US states with highest death rates per million

1. New Jersey 1757 deaths per million
2. New York 1665
3. Connecticut 1220
4. Massachusetts 1206
5. Rhode Island 921
6. Belgium 853
7. DC 805
8. Louisiana 733
9. United Kingdom 659
10. Michigan 632

[Topspinmo]

What so hard about wearing mask?

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

What so hard about wearing mask?

See post #14

Cloth masks don't actually work

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

See post #14

Cloth masks don't actually work

Are willing to bet you’re life on it?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Lindsyburnsy

No masks required and Florida is out of control with the virus spreading like wildfire.

Masks are required in some counties in Florida

[DeanFL]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

Wow.. Another mask debate. Who woulda thunk it?

I wonder if this one will change any more minds than the last dozen or so threads covering the same topic.

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YES!!! I SO agree! Boring.... And solves nothing. It's SO yesterday.

Actually the only mask-thing that interests me now is>>>>>>>>
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[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Are willing to bet you’re life on it?

I haven't been inside any buildings other than home for over 3 months. Outside I stay at least 20 feet from other people. No need for mask and yes, I bet my life on actual science and data that shows cloth masks don't really work. Did you read post #14 and the link? Most transmission of the virus occurs from particles too small for cloth masks to work. That's why I don't go inside any buildings.

[anothersteve]

Not another video!!

Why Face Masks DON'T Work, According To SCIENCE - YouTube

It doesn't matter who posts what, there are believers and non believers, nobody is going to change anyone's mind.
Steve

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

I haven't been inside any buildings other than home for over 3 months. Outside I stay at least 20 feet from other people. No need for mask and yes, I bet my life on actual science and data that shows cloth masks don't really work. Did you read post #14 and the link? Most transmission of the virus occurs from particles too small for cloth masks to work. That's why I don't go inside any buildings.

So, how do you get food? Somebody else taking the chance and possibly bring home? Like it or not if you go to store you’re going to be wearing Some kind of mask. Cloth mask does stop water droplets and lessen The spew which the virus contained in the water droplets thus reducing the odds. Is it 100 precent? but I’ll take what ever the percentage reduction.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by anothersteve

Not another video!!

Why Face Masks DON'T Work, According To SCIENCE - YouTube

It doesn't matter who posts what, there are believers and non believers, nobody is going to change anyone's mind.
Steve

But when it’s mandatory they won’t have choice will they?

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

But when it’s mandatory they won’t have choice will they?

There is always a "choice"

Steve

[Moderator]

Topic concerns whether businesses can dictate whether customers must wear masks. Many off topic replies about efficacy of masks.

Get back on topic or thread will be closed.

Moderator

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr

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I wish we could put that sign up on the window of the store.

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Martian

I love how so many people throw around this "I have a right" stuff.

So what? So what if you have a right.

Ever hear of the right to bear arms? That one is actually spelled out in the constitution. Now please, someone that claims to have a right to not wear masks show me in the constitution where that is stated.

I will wait here...

I see you are back, did you find that right to not wear a mask enumerated in the constitution? Did you find any law that states you have a right to NOT wear a mask?

I didn't think so.

Okay, now we KNOW you have a right to bear arms, so, take your AR-15 and go get on a commercial airline flight and see what happens.

But, wait you said you have a right to bear arms, to carry guns. What do you mean they arrested you when you tried to board a commercial flight brandishing an AR-15.

You see, rights are NOT absolute.

The conservative SCOTUS Justice Scalia said very clearly any right can be regulated. PERIOD.

Public safety, as determined by the government can override ANY right you claim to have. Even those you make up - see, there is no right to not wear a mask.

It doesn't exist.

But, go ahead, throw a hissy fit, and yell and scream. It won't help, but maybe it will make you feel better.

Your understanding of the United States Constitution has turned that document on "its head". The Constitution doesn't limit citizens in their rights, it proscribes what the federal government is authorized to do … PERIOD! In other words, if it ain't in there, the government is NOT authorized to do it. Now we all know that the federal government has usurped many powers not delegated to it but, as the Tenth Amendment states, The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. If you were to peruse the federal Constitution or the constitutions of the state in question, you would find NO such power delegated to the particular government entity. We could discuss, at length, whether the "government" might assume these powers in a "martial law" situation, but, that is a discussion for another thread/time. Nevertheless, your premise is upside down regarding the rights of citizens - the government has NO such power unless it is proscribed in the constitution of the state or the federal Constitution. Stating "there is no right to not wear a mask" presumes that if it is not enumerated within the document, then the citizen has NO right to that action; the constitution places limits on the government, not the citizens! Unfortunately, you are not alone in your misunderstanding of the Constitution, you have much company

Fred

[jack.hunter00@yahoo.com]

Where a MASK!
Stop being childish Stupid!

WEAR A DAMN MASK!