[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by mntlblok

Thank you. Couldn't remember how long it took for the rye to grow in but do remember being surprised by how large - and abundant - the seeds were. :-)

Trying to now picture whether to expect a transition period when Bermuda greens come out of dormancy. Is it necessary to mow the greens at all during the winter? They're painted, right?

There are a lot of different strains of Bermuda grass and they have varying characteristics, strengths and weaknesses, as well as tolerating temperature changes, differently. The greens in TV utilize at least 2 or 3 different varieties.

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

There are a lot of different strains of Bermuda grass and they have varying characteristics, strengths and weaknesses, as well as tolerating temperature changes, differently. The greens in TV utilize at least 2 or 3 different varieties.

Yeah, I'm sorta familiar with Tifton and their Bermudagrass research, but not so much with other grass types. "Tifdwarf" even comes to mind. Have only experienced bent a few times. No real clue about the overseeding grasses, though.

Would love to know what type is still present on Redfish Run and whether it is different from what was intended to be there. . .

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by mntlblok

Yeah, I'm sorta familiar with Tifton and their Bermudagrass research, but not so much with other grass types. "Tifdwarf" even comes to mind. Have only experienced bent a few times. No real clue about the overseeding grasses, though.

Would love to know what type is still present on Redfish Run and whether it is different from what was intended to be there. . .

Plant identification? There’s an app for that—actually several! - Landscaping

10 Best Free Plant Identification Apps For iOS & Android (2023)

I think accuracy with "grass" is probably in the 40% - 50% category and I doubt any of the apps can identify different varieties of otherwise similar grass.

Or try this:

Identifying Grass Types | Golf Course Lawn Store

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Plant identification? There’s an app for that—actually several! - Landscaping

10 Best Free Plant Identification Apps For iOS & Android (2023)

I think accuracy with "grass" is probably in the 40% - 50% category and I doubt any of the apps can identify different varieties of otherwise similar grass.

Or try this:

Identifying Grass Types | Golf Course Lawn Store

That last link was great. Identifying Grass Types | Golf Course Lawn Store I now know a lot more than I did before. Doubt I'll ever be able to ID a grass blade cut to an eighth of an inch, though. :-)

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by mntlblok

That last link was great. Identifying Grass Types | Golf Course Lawn Store I now know a lot more than I did before. Doubt I'll ever be able to ID a grass blade cut to an eighth of an inch, though. :-)

Stop hitting in the fairway and hit one in the rough, you'll find longer grass!

[Papa_lecki]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Or try this:

Identifying Grass Types | Golf Course Lawn Store

I didn’t see Carl Spackler’s favorite grass - a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

I didn’t see Carl Spackler’s favorite grass - a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia.

I wake up every morning and look in the mirror and see this old guy, looking back. I ride around TV and see old people, everywhere. Then I think about it and remember, we were the cutting edge of the drug culture. We'll always have that going for us, which is nice. You have the Tee Judge Smails.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X48G7Y0VWW4

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

I wake up every morning and look in the mirror and see this old guy, looking back. I ride around TV and see old people, everywhere. Then I think about it and remember, we were the cutting edge of the drug culture. We'll always have that going for us, which is nice. You have the Tee Judge Smails.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X48G7Y0VWW4

As the old saying goes, "If you remember the 60's, you weren't there!"

[mntlblok]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

I didn’t see Carl Spackler’s favorite grass - a cross, ah, of Bluegrass, Kentucky Bluegrass, Featherbed Bent, and Northern California Sensemilia.

OMG. Almost failed to google that. Had forgotten who Carl was. :-) Thanks.

[wmet13]

Originally Posted by DALEPQ

We play the courses between 44 and 466 (but including Saddlebrook and Hawkes Bay).
The greens on almost all of these courses are in extremely very poor condition.
Not only that, as of this date there are now 6 courses that are closed, in that area.
It seems totally counterproductive to have 6 courses closed during what is the "Highest Use Season".
The ability to have decent executive golfing available was one of the specific reasons for locating to T.V.
It now seems to be an after-thought for T.V. management.
Really needs attention from a professional golf course maintenance co.
Also, many golfers are coming from the areas South of 44.

I think you are correct. These greens are being mis-managed and improperly maintained. They are basically mud with sparse areas of grass. Are they being watered too much?? Are they being re-seeded? It's really terrible

[laboutj]

I played Briarwood last Saturday and the greens were perfection, I kid you not. Haven't seen greens like that since I belonged to a private club in Mass. No idea how you can go from conditions like that to scorched earth greens a few miles away at Bonita, Redfish, Bogart, Bacall. And then south of 466A Sweetgum has great greens. It just doesn't make sense

[mrf0151]

Love Sweetgum. Beautiful course and nice conditions. On the other hand, playing Pimlico is a waste of time. It needs to be closed until they can fix the terrible greens.

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by wmet13

I think you are correct. These greens are being mis-managed and improperly maintained. They are basically mud with sparse areas of grass. Are they being watered too much?? Are they being re-seeded? It's really terrible

I wonder--has any thought been given to artificial greens for the executive courses? Seems as if they'd solve a multitude of problems including very low maintenance needs, no watering necessary, hold up very well under heavy traffic, not as affected by specific seasons as natural grass, etc. etc. Also much less expensive overall than natural grass greens, and when replacement is needed it is a matter of maybe a day's work vs. preparing the ground, seeding, watering, trimming, etc. as is the case for natural grass greens, which can take weeks or even months. Win-win: better looking and playing greens with far less maintenance over the long haul which would free up money for other maintenance needs on the course. Additionally playing characteristics of the greens would be consistent course-to-course; much the better situation than what exists today, where poor upkeep or other variables affecting green conditions on courses adjoining one another can vary considerably, or even significantly varying conditions green-to-green on the same course.

The purists and top-tier golfers might object but what was true years and even decades ago as to playability (good for putting or driving but not both, among others) have pretty much disappeared, and to be honest, according to what I see, the vast majority of players on the executive courses are, to put it bluntly, hackers: folks to whom such objections would make very little difference, while the better players would still have natural grass greens on the championship courses.

[sheena0904]

Originally Posted by laboutj

I played Briarwood last Saturday and the greens were perfection, I kid you not. Haven't seen greens like that since I belonged to a private club in Mass. No idea how you can go from conditions like that to scorched earth greens a few miles away at Bonita, Redfish, Bogart, Bacall. And then south of 466A Sweetgum has great greens. It just doesn't make sense

Sure it does. Those courses were redone with the new proper turf and construction. Very easy explanation.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

He has a decent resume, growing from one job to another. My concern is he’s been here since 2019, and the courses haven’t improved.

His certificate in turf grass is from Penn State, one of the best in the country.

My solution would be to have 4 Mitches, one for each section of the Villages.
I just hope he is empowered to run the executives

According to his interview last week, with one of the Developer's spokesmen, Mitch has upgraded his "Certificate". Now he claims he has a "Degree in Turf Management" from Penn State (as you said, the premier Turf Management school in the country, if not the world).

(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1WWDaoUK_s)

Funny how his LinkedIn doesn't say he has a "Degree in Turf Management" from Penn State. Maybe he forgot to include that? Or perhaps "misspoke" in the interview?

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mitchell...nger-74a7426a/

Hey Mitch! Give me a call. I'll meet you at Sumter Landing & buy you lunch. You show me a letter from Penn State that you have a Degree in Turf Management, I'll give you $500 for your time.