[OrangeBlossomBaby]

I just finished reading Chapter 1003 section 42 of the 2022 Florida General Statutes. I came to this little ditty, that proves to me the legislators are barely literate themselves:

3. For students in grades 6 through 12, awareness of the benefits of sexual abstinence as the expected standard and the consequences of teenage pregnancy.

Does anyone here know the error, boys and girls? Answer: "awareness of the benefits of sexual abstinence" as (both) the expected standard AND ALSO the consequences of teenage pregnancy. Reverse that:

The expected standard, which is also the consequence of teenage pregnancy, is equal to the awareness of the benefits of sexual abstinence.

Translation for those watching at home:

The wording of this statute implies that a child who is taught to be aware of the benefits of sexual abstinence, will experience both the expected standard and teenage pregnancy, which is a consequence of that awareness.

I have zero faith in the educational system of Florida, to teach children anything meaningful. By 8th grade most of them are only as literate as 6th graders in more advanced states, but are pushed through with lower standards. By graduation, most of them aren't fit for much more than community college.

The ones who do end up going to college, go out of state, and don't come back.

[Caymus]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I just finished reading Chapter 1003 section 42 of the 2022 Florida General Statutes. I came to this little ditty, that proves to me the legislators are barely literate themselves:



Does anyone here know the error, boys and girls?

That it is 100% effective?

[rjm1cc]

Originally Posted by bp243

Let teachers do their job which they’ve been trained to do. Stop the state control of what they teach and what students are allowed to discuss regarding the history of our country. Give teachers the respect and support to handle issues that have been compounded by our current society.

Education was originally designed to equalize opportunities for all children no matter your race, gender or economic background. That has changed and special needs within public schools have grown without the social and emotional support to address those needs. Salary increases would be a start, but allowing teachers to make educational decisions within their classroom and funding support for special needs of all kinds (academic or social and emotional) is just as important.

A relative taught at a New York State Public University. Expertise in terrorism. Some of the students questioned if the Pentagon had a plan crash into it because a tenured professor in another class taught that a plane did not hit the Pentagon. Not good if you have to pay for schooling which is what ever the teacher believes.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I just finished reading Chapter 1003 section 42 of the 2022 Florida General Statutes. I came to this little ditty, that proves to me the legislators are barely literate themselves:



Does anyone here know the error, boys and girls? Answer: "awareness of the benefits of sexual abstinence" as (both) the expected standard AND ALSO the consequences of teenage pregnancy. Reverse that:

The expected standard, which is also the consequence of teenage pregnancy, is equal to the awareness of the benefits of sexual abstinence.

Translation for those watching at home:

The wording of this statute implies that a child who is taught to be aware of the benefits of sexual abstinence, will experience both the expected standard and teenage pregnancy, which is a consequence of that awareness.

I have zero faith in the educational system of Florida, to teach children anything meaningful. By 8th grade most of them are only as literate as 6th graders in more advanced states, but are pushed through with lower standards. By graduation, most of them aren't fit for much more than community college.

The ones who do end up going to college, go out of state, and don't come back.

The statute reads fine to me.

For students in grades 6 through 12, awareness of the benefits of sexual abstinence as the expected standard and the consequences of teenage pregnancy.

Adding a few word to make it more clear...

For students in grades 6 through 12, (provide) awareness of the benefits of sexual abstinence as the expected standard (of behavior) and (also explain) the consequences of teenage pregnancy.

To be honest, your rewrite makes absolutely no sense to me.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Hey, Mintz,

About Huck and TKAM — those two books have been targeted for decades by groups who have no idea what they are talking about — and most of whom have not even read the books — just grabbing things out of context, lighting those book burning fires, and fanning the flames.

But those book burning fires have always been kept under control — until now. From school boards in local districts to those in positions of overall high power — ignorance is winning.

I could defend Huck and Harper Lee all day, but I don’t have time to type that much and this is not the place to go into all that anyway.

I once attended a defense of Steinbeck’s Of Mice and Men. This was in front of a school board who would have the final say. Those who wanted the book banned just keep calling it “The Cuss Book” — that was all they had. Their argument was so pathetic that I actually started feeling embarrassed for them — just a little. All they could do was point to “cuss words.” (The characters in the book are ranch hands, Ranch hands don’t go around saying, “Golly, Gee Willikers.”)

The defense was done by an English teacher who used the book in her American Lit class. She did a respectful, clear defense. The school board voted to keep the book in the curriculum.

That was in the 1980s. Now? Hah! School boards across the country are being stacked with the power-crazy, ill-informed who will not be satisfied until they eviscerate the curriculum and run every last good teacher out…..

In fact, I think that might be the goal. If there are no teachers, kids eventually will be holed up in front of screens, to be instructed by some vacant-eyed puppet person, reading from an approved script. And then “they” could say how much money they had saved the taxpayers. Yep. Just call me Cassandra.

Boomer

PS: About that elementary sex act instruction thing you said, please cite your source. Seriously. I really want to know exactly where that is coming from. As critical thinkers, we must validate sources. I am respectfully asking you to please cite your source.

Agree with most of your comments.
As to the sex act issue, I too questioned his statement. Do a search, it has happened at a number of school districts. I am not a fan of banning books, but some common sense
needs to take place regarding what is being offered for reading.
Additionally, the rewriting or erasing our history (by state education boards) should be of equal concern.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Agree with most of your comments.
As to the sex act issue, I too questioned his statement. Do a search, it has happened at a number of school districts. I am not a fan of banning books, but some common sense
needs to take place regarding what is being offered for reading.
Additionally, the rewriting or erasing our history (by state education boards) should be of equal concern.

What school boards are "rewriting or erasing history"? Certainly not FL...

Please cite your sources...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Boomer

Hey, Mintz,

PS: About that elementary sex act instruction thing you said, please cite your source. Seriously. I really want to know exactly where that is coming from. As critical thinkers, we must validate sources. I am respectfully asking you to please cite your source.

From the Google Machine:

"The school district told the station a sixth grade class accidentally left the books out where a fourth grade class found and read them.

School officials said it was an honest mistake.

But parents of some of those 4th graders who spoke to Fox 12 accused the school librarian of showing them to their children, even encouraging them to take the book home."

Explicit sex ed book causes controversy at Oregon elementary school | Fox News

Middle School kids...

"Virginia Fairfax County school system pulled two books from their library shelves after a mother questioned the school board about why sexually explicit books were available at the school library. As reported in U.S. News, the book Lawn Boy, ”...an illustrated memoir, contains explicit illustrations of oral sex and masturbation.” Gender Queer “...contains graphic descriptions of sex between men and children.” As the mother read excerpts to the school board to prove her point, the school board members interrupted her when she read the graphic passages aloud because it was inappropriate for a school board meeting. They immediately removed the books. Then, as they do with all challenges, the school board created a committee to review the books. Unfortunately, the committee made the decision to reinstate these two books to school library shelves–available to kids in grades 7-12."

Shocking Sexual Content in School Books??? A Step-by-Step Plan for Speaking Up | Defend Young Minds™️

Elementary and Middle Schools...

Sexualizing Schoolchildren: Classroom and Library Books - Daily Citizen

Books available in elementary schools:

Graphic Sex Depicted in Book at Fairport Elementary Schools

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Agree with most of your comments.
As to the sex act issue, I too questioned his statement. Do a search, it has happened at a number of school districts. I am not a fan of banning books, but some common sense
needs to take place regarding what is being offered for reading.
Additionally, the rewriting or erasing our history (by state education boards) should be of equal concern.

Thank you, Bogie,

That was too awful for me to believe. I am sad to hear it is really happening somewhere. You are right. There is no common sense in that one.

I am from Ohio. In recent Ohio news, it has been reported that there are parents who are home schooling their kids and teaching them to believe like Nazis. The state is looking into this and trying to figure out where to draw the line. I guess some of those in power in Ohio think that kind of home school teaching is just fine.

If this country does not find its middle, we are doomed.

Boomer

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

In 6th grade the girls in our class all had to watch a movie about "Becoming a Woman." It was about menstruation. It explained what menstruation is, why women get periods, what pads are, what tampons are and how they're used, what a hymen is (since using a tampon if your hymen is intact can be painful and it's important to know WHY it hurts, if that happens, and that it's nothing to panic about). Why women get periods was a brief introduction to human sexuality. Not "sensuality" - this wasn't about emotions and love and passion and boyfriends. It was about the reproductive system and the basic mechanics (a man blah blah into the woman's blah blah and the sperm travels up to fertilize the egg).

Using blah blah so as to not trigger the porn filters.

Mostly we - as sixth-grade girls - said "ewwwwwww" because most of us had just recently discovered boys as something more than "those smelly creatures who put worms in your gym shoes." We weren't quite sure what yet - but we got the idea that there was something there.

Most parents were grateful for this movie, because most parents didn't want to have "the talk" with their kids. Most parents weren't even convinced it'd be a good idea to let on to their adult children that they were the result of mommy and daddy having sex, at all. I couldn't even bring myself to admit that my parents were capable of having sex with each other until I was around 20. The very notion was just way too sordid. It's a shame, that there are still parents who loathe the idea of teaching their kids about something that is natural, healthy, and part of the cycle of life.

But that's another reason why it's so important to learn it in school. Otherwise - if not for school, they'll discover it on their own, as soon as their hormones start instructing them to.

[Boomer]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

From the Google Machine:

"The school district told the station a sixth grade class accidentally left the books out where a fourth grade class found and read them.

School officials said it was an honest mistake.

But parents of some of those 4th graders who spoke to Fox 12 accused the school librarian of showing them to their children, even encouraging them to take the book home."

Explicit sex ed book causes controversy at Oregon elementary school | Fox News

Middle School kids...

"Virginia Fairfax County school system pulled two books from their library shelves after a mother questioned the school board about why sexually explicit books were available at the school library. As reported in U.S. News, the book Lawn Boy, ”...an illustrated memoir, contains explicit illustrations of oral sex and masturbation.” Gender Queer “...contains graphic descriptions of sex between men and children.” As the mother read excerpts to the school board to prove her point, the school board members interrupted her when she read the graphic passages aloud because it was inappropriate for a school board meeting. They immediately removed the books. Then, as they do with all challenges, the school board created a committee to review the books. Unfortunately, the committee made the decision to reinstate these two books to school library shelves–available to kids in grades 7-12."

Shocking Sexual Content in School Books??? A Step-by-Step Plan for Speaking Up | Defend Young Minds™️

Elementary and Middle Schools...

Sexualizing Schoolchildren: Classroom and Library Books - Daily Citizen

Books available in elementary schools:

Graphic Sex Depicted in Book at Fairport Elementary Schools

Mintz, Bogie just told me it was out there.

I was busy thanking Bogie in my above post and had not seen yours yet.

Whatinthehell is the matter with that school’s librarian. If that happened in the school where I taught, I know darned good and well that I would have formed a posse with my fellow seasoned teachers and we would have done everything we could to put a stop to that before it got that far.

When another educator does something like that, it hits all of us.

I am horrified and infuriated.

But they better leave Huck and Harper Lee alone. It’s not the same thing as some flipped out, over-thinking, over-reaching librarian making a stupid decision and bringing down the wrath of the book burners taking it as license to go after everything.

Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.

Boomer (Now, I think I better calm down and get back to watching Gunsmoke where things are so simple.)


PS: Btw, Mintz, you left my context behind when you quoted me. I was waxing on about the teaching of literature as it relates to teaching critical thinking skills. That is my frame of reference.

Now, back to Mr. Dillon……..

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

In 6th grade the girls in our class all had to watch a movie about "Becoming a Woman." It was about menstruation. It explained what menstruation is, why women get periods, what pads are, what tampons are and how they're used, what a hymen is (since using a tampon if your hymen is intact can be painful and it's important to know WHY it hurts, if that happens, and that it's nothing to panic about). Why women get periods was a brief introduction to human sexuality. Not "sensuality" - this wasn't about emotions and love and passion and boyfriends. It was about the reproductive system and the basic mechanics (a man blah blah into the woman's blah blah and the sperm travels up to fertilize the egg).

Using blah blah so as to not trigger the porn filters.

Mostly we - as sixth-grade girls - said "ewwwwwww" because most of us had just recently discovered boys as something more than "those smelly creatures who put worms in your gym shoes." We weren't quite sure what yet - but we got the idea that there was something there.

Most parents were grateful for this movie, because most parents didn't want to have "the talk" with their kids. Most parents weren't even convinced it'd be a good idea to let on to their adult children that they were the result of mommy and daddy having sex, at all. I couldn't even bring myself to admit that my parents were capable of having sex with each other until I was around 20. The very notion was just way too sordid. It's a shame, that there are still parents who loathe the idea of teaching their kids about something that is natural, healthy, and part of the cycle of life.

But that's another reason why it's so important to learn it in school. Otherwise - if not for school, they'll discover it on their own, as soon as their hormones start instructing them to.

And that is completely different than what I'm talking about...

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

What school boards are "rewriting or erasing history"? Certainly not FL...

Please cite your sources...

Correction, I meant to say state governments….here are a few.

In South Dakota, the governor recently introduced legislation prohibiting K-12 and colleges from teaching a litany of lessons on racial horrors, including the 1890 Wounded Knee Massacre of Lakota people by the U.S. Army.

State politicians in Alabama are expected to discuss a bill to stop colleges from teaching critical race theory. Thus, it would not allow teachers to take about why John Lewis was beaten during a voting rights march in 1965 or why knowing this part of Black history is important.

In Mississippi and Florida, legislators are considering bills that would ban history lessons if they will cause students discomfort, especially about their race.

The New Hampshire bill signed by its Republican governor in June 2021 prohibits “any doctrine or theory promoting a negative account or representation of the founding and history of the United States of America.”

Teaching Black History Month is especially fraught this year : NPR

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Correction, I meant to say state governments….here are a few.

In South Dakota, the governor recently introduced legislation prohibiting K-12 and colleges from teaching a litany of lessons on racial horrors, including the 1890 Wounded Knee Massacre of Lakota people by the U.S. Army.

State politicians in Alabama are expected to discuss a bill to stop colleges from teaching critical race theory. Thus, it would not allow teachers to take about why John Lewis was beaten during a voting rights march in 1965 or why knowing this part of Black history is important.

In Mississippi and Florida, legislators are considering bills that would ban history lessons if they will cause students discomfort, especially about their race.

The New Hampshire bill signed by its Republican governor in June 2021 prohibits “any doctrine or theory promoting a negative account or representation of the founding and history of the United States of America.”

Teaching Black History Month is especially fraught this year : NPR

Not teaching "Critical Race Theory" should have nothing to do with teaching about John Lewis... Completely separate issues...

And I'd like to see links to those other claims, as the synopsis given could be complete BS...


P.S. I just checked on the SD claim. Just as I thought... BS...

"As Noem pitched the bill in the Legislature, she insisted it would not water down historical facts like the Wounded Knee Massacre...."

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Not teaching "Critical Race Theory" should have nothing to do with teaching about John Lewis... Completely separate issues...

And I'd like to see links to those other claims, as the synopsis given could be complete BS...


P.S. I just checked on the SD claim. Just as I thought... BS...

"As Noem pitched the bill in the Legislature, she insisted it would not water down historical facts like the Wounded Knee Massacre...."

Seems everything is BS….. unless it’s posted by you.

As an aside, are you feeling well? You only had 20 posts yesterday……….

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Seems everything is BS….. unless it’s posted by you.

As an aside, are you feeling well? You only had 20 posts yesterday……….

Said the guy with over 17K posts...

At least I back up what I say...