[kcrazorbackfan]

Has anyone else noticed that since we have started getting some rain and the courses are greening up that there hasn't been the continual whining and complaining about course conditions as before, from some? The whiners and complainers must think the course superintendents can wave a magic wand and everything be okay.

Picture this scene; a beautiful 36 hole course with a regulation 4 hole teaching academy and the only holes playable are the academy and the back 9 of one 18. That's what's happening now at the courses I managed in north KC because the others are UNDER WATER.

[bagboy]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Has anyone else noticed that since we have started getting some rain and the courses are greening up that there hasn't been the continual whining and complaining about course conditions as before, from some? The whiners and complainers must think the course superintendents can wave a magic wand and everything be okay.

Picture this scene; a beautiful 36 hole course with a regulation 4 hole teaching academy and the only holes playable are the academy and the back 9 of one 18. That's what's happening now at the courses I managed in north KC because the others are UNDER WATER.

You are absolutely right. Water, preferably good old natural rainwater, is a golf course superintendents best friend...and ours also.

[newguyintv]

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Has anyone else noticed that since we have started getting some rain and the courses are greening up that there hasn't been the continual whining and complaining about course conditions as before, from some? The whiners and complainers must think the course superintendents can wave a magic wand and everything be okay.

Picture this scene; a beautiful 36 hole course with a regulation 4 hole teaching academy and the only holes playable are the academy and the back 9 of one 18. That's what's happening now at the courses I managed in north KC because the others are UNDER WATER.

Don't see what this has to do with ****ty condition of the Fairways and Rough at Havana as recently as this Monday. Oh yes, they were green color except for the numerous patches of dirt in the rough. Pretty bad when you can't tell where the green fairway ends and the green rough begins. Haven't been to Orange Blossom since about 2 weeks ago but it's condition was crappy enough that my group requested that I not book it again in the near future.

Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan

Has anyone else noticed that since we have started getting some rain and the courses are greening up that there hasn't been the continual whining and complaining about course conditions as before, from some? The whiners and complainers must think the course superintendents can wave a magic wand and everything be okay.

Picture this scene; a beautiful 36 hole course with a regulation 4 hole teaching academy and the only holes playable are the academy and the back 9 of one 18. That's what's happening now at the courses I managed in north KC because the others are UNDER WATER.

I'm sorry but if the courses outside the villages are in better shape then there's a problem ! There is absolutely no reason why our courses shouldn't be the best kept courses around!! Also why are some of the courses throughout the villages in much better shape than others?

[tomwed]

Someone pointed out to me how well maintained Sand Hill, Turtle Mound, Roosevelt and Truman are. They have the same person in charge of their care. I have always been of the opinion that considering the play the execs get they are in good shape.

Now I am of the opinion that the super mentioned above knows something that some of the others don't and they could all benefit by his know how. I know it's a guy because the golfer gave me this information pointed him out.

[bagboy]

It's still about the water and the source of water golf courses have. One course can have access to deep water well (s), lakes and deep ponds etc. While another golf course nearby doesn't have that luxury. Some courses even have the ability to move water from pond to pond therefor giving them the opportunity to apply water to their entire course. I have worked with superintendents and I know there is more to grooming and maintaining a golf course than an average golfer can imagine.
That said, I can't offer reasons or explanations for sub par areas on courses, ours or off campus. I have found our courses in good to great shape many times, and a little sketchy at other times. I think it's the nature of the beast. If I found conditions to be consistently good on a particular course, I would play it often. Consistently bad conditions... I would probably pass and maybe try it again down the road sometime.

[waynet]

so, if it's all about water why do they keep planting the same old grass and not replace it with the newer strains that need much less water? Opportunities were missed at Orange Blossom and Tierra already. This is my major complaint. The powers running the golf operation are still using 80's technology and it's 2015!

[JGVillages]

Originally Posted by waynet

so, if it's all about water why do they keep planting the same old grass and not replace it with the newer strains that need much less water? Opportunities were missed at Orange Blossom and Tierra already. This is my major complaint. The powers running the golf operation are still using 80's technology and it's 2015!

This is spot on. The courses were also built with very little soil base. When you try to grow grass on a primarily sandy base you accomplish 2 things. Costs very little to build, and grass will not root sufficently to give good course conditions. For years we have heard the water story ~ too much / too little. It does make a difference but the general course construction is the problem.

[johnboy]

With 12 championship courses of which 10 have 27 holes, that represents 34 foresomes going out every 8 minutes. At an average of $30 per person, that is over $1000 every tee time. With that kind of income it is obvious that the money is not be put back into the courses. Neighboring courses don't even come close to that sort of income and yet they maintain better conditions than we do here.

[tomwed]

Originally Posted by johnboy

With 12 championship courses of which 10 have 27 holes, that represents 34 foresomes going out every 8 minutes. At an average of $30 per person, that is over $1000 every tee time. With that kind of income it is obvious that the money is not be put back into the courses. Neighboring courses don't even come close to that sort of income and yet they maintain better conditions than we do here.

How did you come up with 34 foursomes?

[wholman66]

Until all golfers realize that course maintenance is the responsibility of everyone who sets foot on the course, conditions of the courses will not change. Just think about how many people play The Villages courses, many of which have never set foot on a course. Could they be better, you bet, but until we "all" do our part, probably not, it would help if more golfers stayed on the cart paths with their carts, repaired ball marks on the green, sanded divots and raked sand traps. Just my opinion, and we all have one..

[CatskillBill]

Originally Posted by tomwed

How did you come up with 34 foursomes?

I guess he figured 10 courses have 3 nines (30) and 2 have just a front & back (4)= 34

[kaydee]

played The Oaks at HH today and both the fairways & greens in excellent shape

[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by newguyintv

Don't see what this has to do with ****ty condition of the Fairways and Rough at Havana as recently as this Monday. Oh yes, they were green color except for the numerous patches of dirt in the rough. Pretty bad when you can't tell where the green fairway ends and the green rough begins. Haven't been to Orange Blossom since about 2 weeks ago but it's condition was crappy enough that my group requested that I not book it again in the near future.

I've learned the short time I've been here, that you can't please everyone. We played both Havana and OB the last couple of weeks and found nothing wrong with them, then again, I learned to play golf on some pretty crappy muni courses and these are heaven compared to them.

[Greg Nelson]

The free courses close to us in the 'northern subs' have always been just fine. Of course here in Minnesota where there are a half dozen courses near by that range from ok to excellent. The course we belong to 'Green Valley' started out as a bean field! But for less than $400 a season per couple and get this..you can bring your dog! (weekdays only and with no problems)