[SALYBOW]

Originally Posted by cavalier65

Although I agree about some of the men golfers overestimating their power, endlessly looking for lost balls after hitting from the wrong tees for their capabilities, etc. This does not address the bigger problem of slow play by women on the Exec. Courses. Please, this is not a blame-the-other-sex post instead it is about a real problem of play.

Have you missed the posts saying that both genders are guilty of this. I too have played behind some very slow male foursomes.
IMHO. you are way less than Cavalier in your posts.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by Former Michiganders

Your post is full of stereo types and unfounded generalities obviously against women golfers. Our ladies foursomes have been behind plenty of slow foursomes of men who take unlimited mulligans, take multiple practice swings before they hit the ball, search for lost balls and will not give up until they find them, line up their putts from every possible angle before they putt, sit in their golf carts marking their score cards before they leave the green. and countless other things that slow up the play. Maybe , as you put it , the men leaders should "speak up to their groups then lead by example and they can not play again until attending a Good Golf School or Ready Golf session." Oh and don't forget giving the slow men a yellow card.

Boy Howdy, Saw this post coming! You never want to "rile up" a lady golfer.

I honestly don't believe that was the intention of the OP. Male, female, young or older, the pace of play should be "reasonable". We have a self imposed rule in our group to pick up your ball after triple bogey and I've seen some pretty good golfers pick up after six on a par three and move on. We always play ready golf---its more fun for everybody on the golf course. The good Golf school is a must for all golfers regardless of skill level.

I would have a "problem" with anybody who is not courteous on a golf course or anywhere else. You certainly don't "make fun" of somebody for using the forward tees. You should congratulate and encourage them! Fore

[YouNeverKnow]

Pass the popcorn!

[YouNeverKnow]

Originally Posted by cavalier65

Agree, agree, agree. It makes no difference who or what gender.

If you agree, agree, agree, that it makes no difference who or what gender why did your first post blame everything on women golfers? Makes no sense.

[2BNTV]

A nine hole golf course, should take about an hour and a half, to play.

If it runs 10 or 15 minutes later, where is everyone going, that they need to get steamed up about it?

I would be more concerned being paired with people who get frustrated and break their clubs!!!

Some people take golf too seriously! IMHO

[buzzy]

I was a beginner when I got here. One of the things that I had learned about golf etiquette back home was to never advance past the farthest-away ball on the fairway. Another thing was to never be on the green while someone is getting ready to pitch up. Now, I believe that I can violate those rules in order to play ready golf, but I still feel embarrassed to do so.

[cavalier65]

Originally Posted by SALYBOW

Have you missed the posts saying that both genders are guilty of this. I too have played behind some very slow male foursomes.
IMHO. you are way less than Cavalier in your posts.

Interesting that few posters are interested in resolving an obvious problem on Exec. Courses. We almost quit on the 4th hold at Southern Star yesterday and took 2hrs. to play Heron this morning--due to....

I am just as critical of males who do the same thing, i.e. black tees and hit the water, incessant looking for lost balls, etc. But the bigger problem are the women's groups that dilly-dally on the tees, use longer tees than their campabilities, take 4-5 strokes to reach the green, then 4 putt. Of course, clean their clubs, fill out the scorecard and chit-chat. This is a common occurrence not the exception. I do not think they are aware of other players and the 9 minute time frame for each hole.

This has nothing to do with being retired, handicapped or old. Earlier in the Week I played with a one-legged man on crutches who shot par golf and never held up the group or other foursomes.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by buzzy

I was a beginner when I got here. One of the things that I had learned about golf etiquette back home was to never advance past the farthest-away ball on the fairway. Another thing was to never be on the green while someone is getting ready to pitch up. Now, I believe that I can violate those rules in order to play ready golf, but I still feel embarrassed to do so.

Bending these rules slightly...within the bounds of safety...might help a little. But you really don't have to break the rules to play ready golf.

[outlaw]

Originally Posted by cavalier65

Interesting that few posters are interested in resolving an obvious problem on Exec. Courses. We almost quit on the 4th hold at Southern Star yesterday and took 2hrs. to play Heron this morning--due to....

I am just as critical of males who do the same thing, i.e. black tees and hit the water, incessant looking for lost balls, etc. But the bigger problem are the women's groups that dilly-dally on the tees, use longer tees than their campabilities, take 4-5 strokes to reach the green, then 4 putt. Of course, clean their clubs, fill out the scorecard and chit-chat. This is a common occurrence not the exception. I do not think they are aware of other players and the 9 minute time frame for each hole.

This has nothing to do with being retired, handicapped or old. Earlier in the Week I played with a one-legged man on crutches who shot par golf and never held up the group or other foursomes.

You are so right! It has nothing to do with age. It's about a group of inconsiderate, usually, new golfers that couldn't care less if they hold others up. They stupidly argue "what's the hurry", "you're retired", "enjoy the fresh air". They are totally ignorant of the concentration and rhythm it takes to play one's best golf; or any other competitive sport, for that matter. And yes, the women are the more frequent offenders, probably because they have never competed in sports before they took up golf. They play golf so they can talk, talk, talk, talk, and talk some more, with their girl friends. They can't play the next shot until they finish their story! They don't even think about their next shot until it is their turn to hit. Then, after they finish "sharing" with their friends, they look at their bag to ponder which club to use. Blame their husbands for getting them to take up the game. Why couldn't you have nudged them into yoga, or Mahjong (whatever that is)? These men knew better, but they didn't care about their fellow men. They just wanted to show their wife what a great game golf WAS, and why they liked it so much. Now golf is screwed up for us, too. Thanks, husbands! We all hope you get the yips.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Bending these rules slightly...within the bounds of safety...might help a little. But you really don't have to break the rules to play ready golf.

So true.


Beginner Golf Tip: Keeping Up the Pace of Play

[wereback]

What ever happened to Americas Friendliest Home town I really can't believe I read so much dislike of people on this site is it the heat or what

[yabbadu]

It all starts by learning rules and etiquette first, then a nice pace of play might happen. Until then its called patience.

[Jimjane]

My wife and I have played every day this week, by our selfs and with another couple. We always walk the exec courses. We have experienced no issues with pace of play.

Take a deep breath and enjoy the round and most important the company.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by cavalier65

Initially I thought the courses were clogged due to the snowbirds, now a major problem is very slow play. Mostly the women's groups/foursomes take too long to play a hole. Most hit from tees too far back instead of using green tees. Putting takes forever as they do not play "ready" golf. This is a big problem and the Ambassadors/Starters are powerless to do much about it. Especially since the women players will call the golf office and complain about the rude Ambassador. Out of fear nothing is done about this growing problem.

Women leaders need to speak up, then lead by suggestion and example. Perhaps a yellow card needs to be issued to slow play group members and they cannot play again until attending a Good Golf or Ready Golf session.

Hi cavalier:

I have general agreement with you. Let's set aside the disabled;albeit I have played with people who have disabled tags on their carts and they have not slowed up play.

I also disagree with playing from the wrong tees as being the problem because I have watched golfers who's second shots and putting eliminate the wimpy drive.

and I disagree that it is a women problem because I've played with women who move right along./

And I disagree about age I have played with guys in their 80's who could put many of us to shame. I am --years old and I walk and I carry a bag and I am always at the next tee the same time as riders.

No the biggest reason is people attitudes. some act like well this is my tee time I paid to live here and no one is going to rush me. some stand over the ball so long I wonder if they dozed off. some are johnny come lately they sit in the cart wait until everyone else has teed off then get out get their equipment go thought their three minute drill before they hit. Or they jabber away and all I can think is this is go to a restaurant buy breakfast and you can talk until your heart is content.

Its easier for people to complain that slow play is because someone is playing from the tips. Its only a small part.

Ready golf means that but too many people are not ready not focused on their game or out to socialize mainly.

[Mleeja]

I played this morning with a foursome of men in front and a foursome of women behind. Two of our players were walkers. For the most part we kept up with the pace of play. We had to wait on 8 and 9 for the green to clear. The women behind us probably waited on us for three or four holes because they were playing fast. As many have said, playing ready golf is the key. Unless you ate standing in someone's putting line, go if you are ready. Don't wait for the low score players to tee first. For the most part, we are out to have fun, not playing The Masters....