[GpaVader]

My golf instructor told me that most people have LOFT

Lack Of F#&*ing Talent

[MX rider]

Originally Posted by GpaVader

My golf instructor told me that most people have LOFT

Lack Of F#&*ing Talent

Me and my golf buddies use that phrase about our game as well. lol

[MX rider]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

I hit balls at the range, most every day. I usually play 4-5 times a week at a Championship Course.

Every day at the range, I see husbands trying to teach their wives how to swing. Friends giving lessons to friends. Invariably, the teacher only marginally knows more than the student. I watched a guy today, coaching & teaching his wife or GF. He couldn't hit 3 balls in a row in the air. His wife was a newbie, but had a swing that would make Nelly Korda jealous. With some decent instruction or coaching, the lady would be a single-digit handicap in 2 months. With her husband teacher her, she'll probably give up golf out of frustration.

I've been shooting in the mid-70's for 40 years. I'm a 4.6 Index now and play from the Blue Tees. I also oversaw an operation that had a Rick Smith Golf Academy and later, a Bobby Clampett Impact Zone school. There are probably a 1,000,000 people who know more about the golf swing than I do, but I know a little. What I do know, is how to get the golf ball around the golf course, in a reasonable amount of strokes (usually).

G is for Grip
A is for Alignment
P is for Posture
S is for Set up (Ball position, distance from the ball & the consistency those things)

Very few recreational or even average golfers, need a huge amount of "swing advice".

What most need, is information and coaching on the basics. There is almost no "swing flaw" that can't be corrected organically, by changing or adjusting, one of the above. My swing plane got out of whack. I took a swing lesson via video last week, with Ryan Mouque in Australia. A simple change in spine angle corrected the issue in10 minutes (at least for now).

Everyone's body is different and works differently. That said, most everyone has a grip, alignment, posture & setup, that will allow them to swing fairly naturally and hit the ball, reasonably straight and reasonable well. Find it. Most "swing flaws" can be traced back to an issue with your "GAPS".

Did you take a bunch of lessons to learn to tie your shoes? Sign your name? Slice a loaf of bread? Walk? Throw a baseball? No. You figured out what naturally worked for you and it may be way different than the way someone else does it, but if it works for you who cares? Bryson DeChambeau doesn't swing anything like Rory McIlroy, but they both play pretty well.

Once you can swing naturally and make decent contact, there's only course management left to vastly improve your game. Let's face it, none of us are going to be playing in The Masters this week. We don't need to know how PGA Tour players do it. I know quite a few guys who play on Tour and trust me, they are all "freaks of nature" when it comes to hitting a golf ball (& usually other sports, too). We only need simple & basic.

If you only want to have fun and be able to break 90 on a regular basis, that's all it takes. Stop playing "golf swing" and especially stop trying to teach your wife or friends, "golf swing". If I see one more guy who can't break 90, showing his wife where her golf club should be a at the top, I'm going to say something. Help them with the basics if you must, but make sure you know what you're doing.

There is plenty of online advice. Try Rick Shiels, Danny Maude, Aimee Cho or even George Gankas.

If you prefer books, find these on Amazon, cheap ... they're all old and you can buy used copies for a couple of bucks.

The LAWS of the Golf Swing: 1998: by Jim Suttie, Mike Adams, and T.J. Tomasi
Play Your Best Golf All the Time. 1953: by Tommy Armour
Impact Zone. 2007: by Bobby Clampett
Understanding the Golf Swing. 2001: Manuel De LA Torre

Do not read Ben Hogan's "5 Easy Lessons" or Jack Nicklaus' "Golf My Way". Both great golfers, but Trackman & High Speed Video, have proven they didn't really know how or why what they were doing, worked so well.

Lots of good advice in your posts and you make some very good points. I'm going to use it.

I have a pretty good swing, but I just can't seem to get into the low 90's to save my ass. lol I hover right at 100 on championships.

Thanks for posting.

[Surf Daddy]

I have been playing golf for 65 years. I have shot my age 3 times. I carried a low single digit handicap for 30+ years. I have had coaches ranging from high end Class A pros, to Ryder Cup players, to coaches for Tour Players. I have seen and learned a lot. My suggestion is simple. Buy a used set of quality clubs. Get fit by a professional. Take lessons from one pro. Don't confuse it all by looking at a multitude of YouTube videos. And for seniors, start a fitness program and focus on golf specific exercises and stretches. The TItleist Performance Institute has a wealth of information on this subject. And as Lee Travino once said - "I don't take lessons from someone who can't beat me."

[Bay Kid]

"Little Red Book" by Harvey Penick. A must read for every golfer.

Also "The Invention of Golf" by Robin Williams a must for a great laugh.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by MX rider

Lots of good advice in your posts and you make some very good points. I'm going to use it.

I have a pretty good swing, but I just can't seem to get into the low 90's to save my ass. lol I hover right at 100 on championships.

Thanks for posting.

If you can shoot a legit 100 on a Championship Course, it's likely course management that's holding you back. I've seldom seen anyone shoot 100, who couldn't shoot 90, if they managed their game and the course ... or played with the right Caddie and listened to him.

[Snakster66]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

For those of you who think Putting is so damn important, here's a practical test you can try, the next time you play golf.

Give yourself, EVERY putt that's within the length of your Putter (36"). In The Villages, most everyone does that, anyway.

For putts between 3' - 8', give yourself ONE of them. Putt the rest, keeping the above in mind.

Your score at the end of the day, will be what it would be, if a PGA Tour Player was doing your putting.

[Statistically, PGA Tour Pros make about 95% of their 3' putts and 50% of their 8' putts. Amateurs make about 40% of their 8' putts.)

I bet you your score won't improve as much as you think.

What's that prove? Your putting is likely no where near as bad as you think it is and improved putting is not the way to lower scores. At best, you're likely to improve a couple of strokes. Big deal. So you shoot 94 instead of 97?

I guess I oversimplfy things, but I have found that I usually score better in rounds where I have 30 putts than rounds where I have 36 putts. So, for me, that makes putting kinda important.

Not sure what to make of your last sentence. A three stroke improvement in someone's handicap is not a big deal? Maybe not for elite golfers (still hard to believe), but for the guy dipping into the teens for the first time it is. For the guy going from double digit to single digit it is. I've been making steady progress down the past few months, and the majority of it I attribute to improvement on and around the greens. And of course, playing smarter MOST of the time. So that you don't think I'm a complete contrarion, improved accuracy on approach is probably what I need to make that next step down. And I think GAPS (one element or another) is the main hinderence to that.

[UpNorth]

Originally Posted by GpaVader

My golf instructor told me that most people have LOFT

Lack Of F#&*ing Talent

Also, USGA:
U Suck, Go Again

[Tyson]

Just shot 78 at a course i hate Belle Glade but I could really use a guy like you to take a look at GASP. Coming off hip replacement last year and need a new knee but with smarts and a short game I get it around pretty good. Live on Glenview so Id get the balls pay you what you want and meet you at the range whenever you got the time. Email is thepsychicveil@gmail.com im Bob

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Snakster66

I guess I oversimplfy things, but I have found that I usually score better in rounds where I have 30 putts than rounds where I have 36 putts. So, for me, that makes putting kinda important.

Not sure what to make of your last sentence. A three stroke improvement in someone's handicap is not a big deal? .

You're right. A 3 stroke improvement would be a significant improvement, but I think most putting "improvement" is transient. One day you're hot, the next day you're not. A consistent 3 stroke improvement in someone's putting game would be monumental and almost impossible to sustain. (Improving your # of putts/round by hitting it closer and chipping better, is surely a realistic goal.)

My point, was the putting is not what's holding most people back. It's a statistical fact. People tend to over-rate how well PGA Tour Pros putt and how poorly they themselves putt. The guys you're watching on TV, are the guys who are putting well that week ... not the guys who are putting average or worse.

The number of putts you take in a given round, isn't a very significant statistic. A friend of mine, once held the PGA Tour record (for about 9 months), for "fewest putts in a tournament". His name was Bob Menne and he was the first PGA Tour Pro, to use less than 100 putts in a 4 round tournament. [1977 TPC]

Bob couldn't putt for crap. I asked him one day, "Hey Bob, how they hell did you set that record, you can't put for $h_t". He said, "Did you see where I set the record? Those Greens at Sawgrass are so small, I think only hit 2 of them. I chipped it close every hole and made the putts".

The Arccos golf database has billions of shots. They claim one of the most significant statistics/goals for the average golfer, is GIR+1. You need to be on the Green, in no more than 1 shot over GIR

Arccos also posed an interesting question for this week's Masters. What would a 12 Handicap shoot at The Masters, if he got to start on the Green?

Every hole, you start on the Green. The ball is in the longest possible place from the hole (the average would be 86' from the hole). What do you shoot?

[MX rider]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

If you can shoot a legit 100 on a Championship Course, it's likely course management that's holding you back. I've seldom seen anyone shoot 100, who couldn't shoot 90, if they managed their game and the course ... or played with the right Caddie and listened to him.

You're probably right. I shot a legit 45 on the first nine a Belle Glade and legit but crappy 56 on the second nine. Very frustrating.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Tyson

Just shot 78 at a course i hate Belle Glade but I could really use a guy like you to take a look at GASP. Coming off hip replacement last year and need a new knee but with smarts and a short game I get it around pretty good. Live on Glenview so Id get the balls pay you what you want and meet you at the range whenever you got the time. Email is thepsychicveil@gmail.com im Bob

If you can get it around in 78, you don't need me. Sounds like your managing your golf game & the course, perfectly fine. My comments are were/are directed at the people shooting 90-110 ... & giving advice to their friends & better halves.

Glenview is one the courses I play regularly, at least once a week. If you want to play sometime, shoot me a PM on here. I typically play early in the 2nd wave.

& if you live in the gray house, across the street from the 1st Tee on Tally Ho, I'm jealous. It's my favorite house in TV.

[BrianL99]

Admittedly anecdotal, but informative.

Nick Dunlap at The Masters today. He finished Round 1, DFL and shot 90.

Nick average 1.83 Putts per hole. 33 Putts.

Not that he hit many Greens in Regulation, but he averaged 1.68 Putts on those holes.

He had zero 3 putts, on arguably the hardest Greens to Putt in the world, given the stakes.

Great putting didn't do much to save his round.

[PGApromike]

I've always used the word GASP. Grip, Aim, Stance or Setup & Posture.
I am a 30 year and still currently a PGA Professional. I was here in 2003 when we opened Nancy Lopez working in the golf academy. I still teach at my home here in the Newell village with great success just teaching impact position. Using video, and launch monitor students have immediately become better around the greens. Learning how to get and feel better impact will improve your entire swing. If a teacher starts you with full swings, my opinion is you will not get better as quickly as learning to hit "From the ball, out". Good luck everybody.
If you have a specific question, you can message me. I'll do my best to explain.
Mike

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by PGApromike

I've always used the word GASP. Grip, Aim, Stance or Setup & Posture.
I am a 30 year and still currently a PGA Professional. I was here in 2003 when we opened Nancy Lopez working in the golf academy. I still teach at my home here in the Newell village with great success just teaching impact position. Using video, and launch monitor students have immediately become better around the greens. Learning how to get and feel better impact will improve your entire swing. If a teacher starts you with full swings, my opinion is you will not get better as quickly as learning to hit "From the ball, out". Good luck everybody.
If you have a specific question, you can message me. I'll do my best to explain.
Mike

Mike doesn't know it, but I played with him a couple of years ago, at TDS. Good guy and makes perfect sense. If you don't understand what the club face does, how it works, what impact is like ... all the "swing theories" are wasted.

It's way easier to teach a chip shot swing and transition it to a full swing, than starting with a Driver in your hand.