[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by deltaguy

Nice try but none of the above. Deplorable doesn't imply any of obvious junk you mention. It simply means that the course was in crappy shape, not for any of the excuse type reasons you imply. A ball on the fairway should rest on grass. A ball putted on the green should not jump up and down 10 times on a four foot putt. I'm a golfer so please don't challenge me when I say deplorable. Lopez on Monday was in very good shape, just in case you don't think I'm fair. If you play in a group with 5 and 6 handicap players you might accept their opinion about deplorable conditions. If you play with 30 handicappers you probably wouldn't have a basis for knowing.

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I can see you are a man that does not spend his day on totv but out playing golf and know what you are talking about --- i for one know that to be a single digit handicap you have played many courses and sent a lot of time on the course. If you are playing with a group of similar handicap golfers i respect your opinion. After playing bonifay, I once said (imo) that bonifay was a cow pasture with sand traps. That brought out the posse with their water guns filled with kool-aid. this time they seem to be really rude-----------Please do not stop post your opinion of course conditions Thank you

[Moderator]

Please direct your comments to the topic and not to or at each other.

[graciegirl]

One of the things that I like about golf is that generally speaking a golfer is a patient athlete who plays the conditions as part of the challenge.

When you criticize golf course conditions be specific. Lousy, deplorable, crummy, are not words that explain.

Brown dry grass, bare spots, wet spots, bare greens suffering from disease, poor cutting,under or over watered, over fertilized, are some ways that tell us what is wrong.

I have rewritten this for obvious reasons.

Hit me again. I have my six iron ready.

[deltaguy]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

One of the things that I like about golf is that generally speaking a golfer is a patient athlete who plays the conditions as part of the challenge. The golfers that I have run into for the 40 plus years that I have played golf have been gentlemen and gentlewomen and the golfer I am married to is an excellent golfer. When I asked him about Hacienda Hills and mentioned that someone thought the conditions were deplorable, he just shrugged. He is a man that if he hits less than the shot he aimed for, he doesn't blame anything or anybody he just makes a better shot the next time.

You can tell a person's character very quickly on the golf course.

Many would say that the well known courses in Scotland are very difficult. My husband just braved the rain and wind and the pot bunkers and the challenging rough and enjoyed the game. He always plays well.

Several comments:
1) This Thread has nothing to do with "the Patience of athletes".
2) It is not about the 40 years of lovely people you have played golf with
3) It is not about how well or poorly your spouse plays golf
4) Hacienda Hills is not in Scotland not does it have to do with how wet and windblown someone might have been playing there.
5) I sincerely trust that your reference to a players character was not intended as a reference to me
6) Hacienda Hills in not a difficult course but it most certainly is currently in very poor (deplorable) condition.

As the moderator implied in a recent post, comments should be directed to the subject of the Thread.

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by deltaguy

Several comments:
1) This Thread has nothing to do with "the Patience of athletes".
2) It is not about the 40 years of lovely people you have played golf with
3) It is not about how well or poorly your spouse plays golf
4) Hacienda Hills is not in Scotland not does it have to do with how wet and windblown someone might have been playing there.
5) I sincerely trust that your reference to a players character was not intended as a reference to me
6) Hacienda Hills in not a difficult course but it most certainly is currently in very poor (deplorable) condition.

As the moderator implied in a recent post, comments should be directed to the subject of the Thread.

You really have a way with words

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by deltaguy

Several comments:
1) This Thread has nothing to do with "the Patience of athletes".
2) It is not about the 40 years of lovely people you have played golf with
3) It is not about how well or poorly your spouse plays golf
4) Hacienda Hills is not in Scotland not does it have to do with how wet and windblown someone might have been playing there.
5) I sincerely trust that your reference to a players character was not intended as a reference to me
6) Hacienda Hills in not a difficult course but it most certainly is currently in very poor (deplorable) condition.

As the moderator implied in a recent post, comments should be directed to the subject of the Thread.

Thank you! My thoughts exactly.

[mickey100]

Originally Posted by deltaguy

Reread my post. I have talked to Golf Operations on the subject of Golf Course conditions a number of times. All they do is come up with lame excuses. In a nutshell, they simply don't care as there are enough "golfers" in TV who will play on whatever crappy venue is put before them and still think they are in utopia.

I did reread your post and didn't see anything about you talking to Golf Course Operations, just a general comment about complaints. I had no way of knowing who you complained to. No need to be so nitpicky, I'm on your side.

We do agree on one thing - There are a huge amount of residents that buy into the utopia concept, and won't complain about anything. Their loss. But, I also know, that in the past when Operations received a large number of emails, phone calls and complaints in any form, that they did respond and take action at least at one particular course. But it means not just one or two people making calls, we have to get the members of our golf groups to all get involved. The squeakier the wheel, the faster it gets oiled. I think they (Operations) care, but they sometimes need to be prodded.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by mikeod

Well, EXCUSE US. All we were trying to do was gain some insight into what specifically goes into a course being "deplorable". I didn't know that you had to be a single digit handicap to understand course conditions. It's just that it seems reasonable that to classify a course that way there may be some specifics that would enlighten us ignorant higher handicappers so we, too, can rant about the conditions. Sorry that doing so would be a waste of your time. Frankly, if you walk into golf administration offices with the elitist attitude you present in this thread, I would expect them to respond in kind and give you their "lame" excuses to get you out of there.

What Mike said.

Anonymous ranting posters who use non specific terms aren't very credible.

[nitehawk]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

What Mike said.

Anonymous ranting posters who use non specific terms aren't very credible.

Says Who ?????????

[Moderator]

Again, please, stay on topic and cease the personal bickering. If need be, we will go back and delete all of these off topic posts.

This thread is for specific reports of good or bad golf course conditions at Champ and Exec course within the Villages.

Anybody played Bonifay lately?

[deltaguy]

Originally Posted by Moderator

Again, please, stay on topic and cease the personal bickering. If need be, we will go back and delete all of these off topic posts.

This thread is for specific reports of good or bad golf course conditions at Champ and Exec course within the Villages.

Anybody played Bonifay lately?

No, but my sources tell me it's in very good condition. Have it as my first choice for this week's booking.

[mickey100]

Palmer was in great shape yesterday.

[Jaurian]

played Bonifay on 09/15/13 and the course was in good shape .....I like the new cart path which goes around the back of the par three green 4th (?) on the Fort Walton nine!

[TheVillageChicken]

Played mini golf at Tree Tops last night. The windmill does not revolve at a uniform rate and there was a slight tear in the carpet on the signature hole. Also, the noise coming from the American Legion is distracting. Somebody needs to teach these boobs some etiquette too. There were several five and sixsomes, and what's with the kids on the course?

[mickey100]

Ha, ha! Seriously, I played Mallory today, Amelia. Fairways okay, a little wet in spots. Greens not so good - rough surface, have not fully recovered from aeration.