[waynet]

Played Mallory today... much better than 2 weeks ago. Greens were really good.

[Taj44]

Originally Posted by gage405

Havana is/was slow because between 1:32 p.m. and 2:11, potentially 4 groups of players playing only nine-holes are allowed out.
On Sunday, I was in the first group at 11:56 on Hemingway. We played a very nice round for the first nine. No hold-ups and we finished right on time.
We came to Kilimanjaro and by the time we got to the second hole, there
was a back-up.
From the second tee we could see 4 foursomes between the second fairway and the third green...or almost getting to the third green, lol.
We waited on every shot the entire remaining 8 holes on the second nine.

It was annoying. It feels like the people who go out in the afternoon wave for 18 holes are not being treated fairly. Why should we have to come up
against a wall of usually slow players who are also usually inexperienced?

I know it is driven by the desire for more revenue but it is like a slap in the
face to those of us who have paid the 18-hole fee and believe we should
be able to play an 18-hole round with a decent pace of play.

I also do not understand why novice players want to pay to play on the 18-hole courses when they could have just as much fun and just as much of a challenge for free on the executive courses.

It seems like there could be a different solution. Someone suggested one nine-hole course be allocated to those who want to play 9 holes and let the
other two courses be dedicated to the 18 hole group.

I think we should mention this problem in the annual survey.

Gage, I agree with you 100%. They should not be slipping in the 9-holers between the 2 waves - it obviously will slow things up, which it has done. I can't remember the last time I played in the afternoon when the second nine wasn't unreasonably slow. If others of you have noticed that, I think it would help, as Gage suggested, if we made that comment on the annual survey. I know enough people complained last year about the conditions at Orange Blossom, and "the powers that be" did listen, because OB was in great shape this year. A reasonable pace of play is a priority for many of us - let's let them know that.

[chuckster]

Am not sure what could be done. The pm wave as I understand it runs from 11:56 - 1:56. So how are you going to deny those with 1:32, 1:40, 1:48, 1:56 t-times the chance to play if only for 9 holes (allowed between 1:30 - 2:00) and I agree that some are new or slower than more experienced players. They could opt for and often do play 18 and some are not slow or new players this time of year. The issue as I see it and has happened to me is that play for 9 is allowed about 2 hours. When we play the front 9 in say 1:45 with an 11:56 t-time we will be turning to the back 9 about 1:45 pm. We then have to wait for the rest of the pm wave (since it goes to 1:56). Courses in their defense are quite busy compared to summer time when there has been little or no wait at the turns. Courses with straight t-times don't have this problem, unless you are behind a slower group for 18 holes. Imho that's what I have experienced and discovered from looking into our t-time system.

One way around the issue is to play in the am wave where there is no 9 hole play to meet at the turn

[ncr2482]

I played Cane Garden yesterday(Jacaranda to Allamanda). We started at 9:28 (the last tee time of the morning wave) Althought we waited on every shot we played the front in 2 hours and 8 minutes (right on pace). However, the back nine was slow. The ambassador stated one group was behind pace and he was doing his best to move them along. The course was in pretty good shape. Overall no complaints about the day.

[cabo35]

Played Havana, Kenya to Hemingway today. Fairways and greens were ok but not as good as a few weeks ago. Pace was about 4 1/2 hours.

[ajbrown]

Sunday 3/20, 9:28, pace 4:14.

With all of the good weather Tierra has filled in nicely, very playable. The greens putt pretty true but are still too slow IMO. Not sure that will change anytime soon....

On a personal note, I finally shot less than the course rating NET . It has been a loooong time since I have carried my handicap at Tierra.

[schotzyb]

Got a feeling if we don't get a good heavy rain soon,all the courses are going to worsen in a hurry.

[waynet]

Palmer perfect today.

[schotzyb]

Played Tierra Tuesday. Other than a couple spots all the greens were in good shape. We started on the back nine and it was wait on every shot but when we made the turn to the front nine, things really sped up and we played those 9 holes in less than 2 hours.

[Taj44]

I'm jealous. I've played Havana a couple of times this week, and its been slow, slow, slow!

[rubicon]

Let's face it the courses in TV get alot of play and of course dry conditions don't help. My group has decided to play off site and discovered there are some wonderful courses out there. Played Ocala Country Club Wow! Now those are houses. Reasonable rates at all the courses we have played plus amenities. Ran into a guy from TV who liked it so much he joined Black Bear. Challenging course.

Course play is steady off site

[ajbrown]

Originally Posted by waynet

Palmer perfect today.

Played there this AM. Great year for Palmer Legends. Really in great shape and greens have some speed! IMO worth the uptick in cost right now.

[schotzyb]

Played Glenview this morning. Still in very good condition. Greens got some speed to them after the morning moisture dried.

[waynet]

also played Glenview today and it was in very good shape

[nitehawk]

played cane today(Jacranda to Alamanda) i have seen municipal courses in much better condition for half the price - fairway a 3 - greens a 5