[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

I do not know but I will try to find out.

I would think that each request would be calculated separately whether it is a foursome, threesome, twosome, or single. If you and your wife have 0 points, it would be unfair to put you with another twosome with 14 points as you would be penalized for the other players’ points.

If I were designing the system, I would design it so that separate groups are assigned to separate groups with the same point total. For example, if you or your wife had 0 points, it should put you with another twosome with 0 points or with two singles with 0 points.

The question is does it take all foursomes first, then all threesomes, then all twosomes, and finally singles.

It should take all groups and put them in order of points.

For example, It should take a threesome with 0 points and put them with a single with 0 points before going to a foursome with 1 point.

No - it is average points. 4 people with 16 points have an average of 4. 3 people with 12 points have an average of 4. 2 people with 8 points have an average of 4. 1 person with 4 points has an average of 4.

[MSchad]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

Good explanation. One thing that you didn’t go over is what happens when I put in for a twosome (my wife and I) who are both residents. I assume we are paired, by the system, with another twosome of residents and put in the first group with the lowest placement points of 24? But you know what they say about assuming. I would be interested in knowing how that works if anyone knows.

Each request is handled by average point of golfers in that request. If you and you wife have zero points and are the only golfers on your request, you would be place. Then the system would place another two golfers with you. Your points and their points, resident or not have zero bearing on each other. Once each request is reached in the pecking order the system tries to place it.

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by MSchad

Each request is handled by average point of golfers in that request. If you and you wife have zero points and are the only golfers on your request, you would be place. Then the system would place another two golfers with you. Your points and their points, resident or not have zero bearing on each other. Once each request is reached in the pecking order the system tries to place it.

So if couple A has 0 points, they will most likely be placed with another couple (or two singles) with 0 points or maybe 1 point?

It would be almost impossible to be placed with a couple with 10 points?

[MSchad]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

So if couple A has 0 points, they will most likely be placed with another couple (or two singles) with 0 points or maybe 1 point?

It would be almost impossible to be placed with a couple with 10 points?

This time of year, yes probably unlikely. But couple A with zero points could get assigned a tee time and then later on when the process gets down to people with 10 points and another couple requested a play time in same timeframe and course as your request, and those other two slots are still available, they would get those two slots. My point is, you aren’t “paired” with anyone. You got a reservation for two, and another single or couple got a reservation for the other two slots that were still open. They are two distinct reservations that have nothing to do with each other. No different than if you call a course and ask for an open tee time for two and they place you with another couple.

[Rainger99]

[QUOTE=MSchad;2293553]That couple could be paired with nobody initially and then when all times are posted for open reservations a couple who has 20 points could reserve the other two spots. My point is, you aren’t “paired” with anyone. You got a reservation for two, and another single or couple got a reservation for the other two slots that were still open. They are two distinct reservations that have nothing to do with each other. No different than if you call a course and ask for an open tee time for two and they place you with another couple.[/QUOTE

[Rainger99]

For all of you that have explained a very complicated system, I think I finally understand it!

THANKS!

[goodoldan]

There's also the "Good Golf School" that gets put on periodically. Takes a really deep dive into the reservation system, points, etc. A few hours well spent...

[NoMo50]

Originally Posted by Fenster

This system is needlessly complicated. Most people don’t understand it. And you can’t blame everyone.
It should be simplified.

Needlessly complicated? Not really...think about it.

Within The Villages, there are 58 golf courses; over 70,000 homes; and over 150,000 residents, all of whom are potential golfers. This isn't your local muni course where some guy on the phone is jotting down tee times on a calendar.

Each and every day, the tee time system is filling thousands of tee times with thousands of golfers. For the most part, it does so in a manner that is fair to everyone. I agree that most people probably don't understand exactly how the system works, but do you really need to? Knowledge of how all those lines of code mesh together to manage a very complex environment is not required. As long as you understand how to use the system, and maximize your chances of getting tee times, you are good to go.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

I THINK I have it figured out. Let me know if I am correct.

This is for executive courses with no cancelations by anyone.

The first thing that the computer does is to calculate each groups' placement points.

According to the system, residents have 6 placement points and guests have 7 placement points.

If you have four foursomes, the possible combinations are

4 residents
3 residents and 1 guest
2 residents and 2 guests
1 resident and 3 guests
4 guests (not sure if this is allowed)

The first group would have 24 placement points
The second group would have 25 placement points
The third group would have 26 placement points
The fourth group would have 27 placement points
The fifth group would have 28 placements.

The computer then ranks every groups' placement points.

Only after that is done, the computer then goes to reservation points and looks at them within each group.

When the computer looks at all of the requests, it takes all of the first group and fulfills their requests first; then to the second group; and so on.

For each group, the group with the fewest reservation points would be first on the list and the group with the most reservation points would be last on the list. However, the computer fulfills all of group one before going on to the next group.

If you are in the first group and no one played in the last seven days, the group would have 0 points but if everyone played seven times in the last seven days, the group would have 28 points. I think that group with 28 points would have their request fulfilled before going to the second group and looking at their reservation points. So you could have the possibility of 4 people in the second group not having played once in the last week (so 0 reservation points) but their request would be fulfilled after people in group one who had played each day in the past week.

The computer would then go to groups 3, 4, and 5, whereby all of the requests in each group would be fulfilled ahead of lower groups.

Bet 99.9% of the residents can figure this out.

[Two Bills]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

Bet 99.9% of the residents can figure this out.

Did it in my head.
Quite simple!

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

Bet 99.9% of the residents can figure this out.

If you would bet that 99.9% of the residents can figure this out, I would suggest that you do not go to Las Vegas.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by kkingston57

Bet 99.9% of the residents can figure this out.

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[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

I THINK I have it figured out. Let me know if I am correct.

This is for executive courses with no cancelations by anyone.

The first thing that the computer does is to calculate each groups' placement points.

According to the system, residents have 6 placement points and guests have 7 placement points.

If you have four foursomes, the possible combinations are

4 residents
3 residents and 1 guest
2 residents and 2 guests
1 resident and 3 guests
4 guests (not sure if this is allowed)

The first group would have 24 placement points
The second group would have 25 placement points
The third group would have 26 placement points
The fourth group would have 27 placement points
The fifth group would have 28 placements.

The computer then ranks every groups' placement points.

Only after that is done, the computer then goes to reservation points and looks at them within each group.

When the computer looks at all of the requests, it takes all of the first group and fulfills their requests first; then to the second group; and so on.

For each group, the group with the fewest reservation points would be first on the list and the group with the most reservation points would be last on the list. However, the computer fulfills all of group one before going on to the next group.

If you are in the first group and no one played in the last seven days, the group would have 0 points but if everyone played seven times in the last seven days, the group would have 28 points. I think that group with 28 points would have their request fulfilled before going to the second group and looking at their reservation points. So you could have the possibility of 4 people in the second group not having played once in the last week (so 0 reservation points) but their request would be fulfilled after people in group one who had played each day in the past week.

The computer would then go to groups 3, 4, and 5, whereby all of the requests in each group would be fulfilled ahead of lower groups.

Where did you see the numerical value for "placement points" ? The only "THE VILLAGES" official publication I've seen refers to placement as a tier. Executive courses have two tiers championship courses have four tiers

[Rainger99]

Originally Posted by rustyp

Where did you see the numerical value for "placement points" ? The only "THE VILLAGES" official publication I've seen refers to placement as a tier. Executive courses have two tiers championship courses have four tiers

When I moved here in 2021, they gave me a copy of the Golfing In The Villages handbook. On page 4, there is a chart showing placement point values.

For Championship courses it states
Priority Member 1
Priority Guest 2
Resident Member 6
Resident Guest 7


For executive courses it states
Priority Member N/A
Priority Guest N/A
Resident Member 6
Resident Guest 7

I don't think it makes any difference what the values are as long as Priority Members have the fewest; Priority Guests have the second fewest; Resident Members have third fewest;
and Resident Guests have the most points.

I looked at the current website and even though the handbook refers to Placement points, it doesn't give them a value.

[rustyp]

Originally Posted by Rainger99

When I moved here in 2021, they gave me a copy of the Golfing In The Villages handbook. On page 4, there is a chart showing placement point values.

For Championship courses it states
Priority Member 1
Priority Guest 2
Resident Member 6
Resident Guest 7


For executive courses it states
Priority Member N/A
Priority Guest N/A
Resident Member 6
Resident Guest 7

I don't think it makes any difference what the values are as long as Priority Members have the fewest; Priority Guests have the second fewest; Resident Members have third fewest;
and Resident Guests have the most points.

I looked at the current website and even though the handbook refers to Placement points, it doesn't give them a value.

Thanks. I found a copy of that handbook from 2015 in my files. Indeed as you stated exactly on page 4 are those charts.

Now I read those paragraphs very closely (not easy to do) and I conclude (like you) those placement points establish the tiers and the system sorts first by tier and then by reservation points within that tier. Example - a tier one group has an average of 10 reservation points and a tier two group has an average of 2 reservation points. The tier one group gets the first tee time. Thus it is not important for you and I to know the exact value of the placement points but the key is to know what the the make up of each tier is.

Good Job Rainger99 !