[kcrazorbackfan]

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko

Put your finger in a glass of water. When you pull it out does it leave a hole. If it does you are special. Usually it won't and that goes for your groups revenue. Pull it out and it will get filled by someone else. Your not special!

Let us not forget that this is the winter time. The grass, like your lawn, is not pushing up as much. In the spring, summer and fall, the grass will grow more and the conditions will be great. What do you think the conditions are up north right now?

Groups are great to play in but eventually they think they own the place. Again you are not special. To expect pristine conditions in the winter is to expect that liver will taste like prime rib. Again, take a look at your lawn, it ain't pristine.

People up north would just be grateful to get on their golf course. Life, like golf, is damaged by your expectancy level. When it is too high you will get disappointed. Chill out and enjoy your winter golf. I said winter golf. Grass don't grow well in the winter.

To have a nice group to play and eat with is a blessing. You are blessed, enjoy that. I have NEVER had a 5 1/2 hour round of golf in the Villages. At the most its been
4 1/2, usually 4. Maybe if you improve your game it won't take you so long. Or move back on the mens tee. The time you feel it takes to play a round of golf is never the actual time. It is a spacial time thing that always feels longer once you get held up a little.

Nice try, BUT, little sympathy here.

Good post. The OP is just one of the privileged entitled that fantasizes everything has to fall in line with his nonsensical thinking.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drcar

NO they have not

And yet the rumor has begun........

[tbatterman]

Originally Posted by Warren Schimpf

Revenue from a group of 20 Residents who play 2 x week, year round based on a low-average of 16/20 players.

Enhancement Memberships $16,160
Winter - Greens Fees $34,608
Summer - Green Fees $37,120
Restaurant - $32,000
Total Revenue $119,888

1. First there was a cut-back in how often our sand traps were raked.
2. Now there are several courses that are practically unplayable due to the condition of the greens.
3. We are experiencing 5-hour rounds of golf since some Ambassadors who when are asked why 3, 4-somes are on the same hole they reply with "Everyone's On Time" - Obviously not true.

Which leads us to the question -
1. Why has David Williams, our Golf Operations Manager and the Course Superintendents allowed this to happen and what is being done to correct it?
2. Do you think they would care more if our group, like others, decided to play "out-side" of The Villages and lose the $120,000 of revenue ?

Is it possible the greens conditions have to do with the unseasonably cool weather we have had the last couple months? I wonder if certain types of grass on the greens hasn't been able to grow in this weather? I played Harbor Hills just outside the Villages this weekend and the greens were great. I've played Hacienda and Southern Oaks inside the Villages and the greens were great. So some are fine and some are not with the same weather? To me that clearly says either different types of grass responding differently to weather conditions or different qualities of golf course management.

[rjn5656]

Why not send a letter to the Morse's asking that question?

[gighilton]

Originally Posted by Warren Schimpf

Revenue from a group of 20 Residents who play 2 x week, year round based on a low-average of 16/20 players.

Enhancement Memberships $16,160
Winter - Greens Fees $34,608
Summer - Green Fees $37,120
Restaurant - $32,000
Total Revenue $119,888

1. First there was a cut-back in how often our sand traps were raked.
2. Now there are several courses that are practically unplayable due to the condition of the greens.
3. We are experiencing 5-hour rounds of golf since some Ambassadors who when are asked why 3, 4-somes are on the same hole they reply with "Everyone's On Time" - Obviously not true.

Which leads us to the question -
1. Why has David Williams, our Golf Operations Manager and the Course Superintendents allowed this to happen and what is being done to correct it?
2. Do you think they would care more if our group, like others, decided to play "out-side" of The Villages and lose the $120,000 of revenue ?

Management of the various facilities is the issue. slow play is always a problem, and the same with maintenance. Greenskeepers can make mistakes applying chemicals, or applying the wrong chemicals at the wrong time, and slow play will be here forever. This isn't an excuse, but a reality. Doesn't mean that better management can mitigate this issues you bring up...The money aspect is DOA!

[ernpertuc]

Sometimes the simplest response is the best. Too many "entitled golfers" who don't give a crap about who p[lays next.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

No courses have been bulldozed and it’s highly unlikely it will ever happen (at least to build homes) because the courses are designed as emergency flood plains. Anyone who was here during hurricane Irma should remember the courses being closed for several days, many underwater, with the sprinklers running 24/7 to lower the retention ponds in case another storm blew through. That being said, the clubhouse, restaurant, pool, tennis courts, etc… at the Hacienda Hills Championship course were bulldozed and they are building Villas and a stand alone pro shop where the facilities once stood.

Spot on…. And I’ve heard the rumor regarding the Polo Fields. Going to be replaced? Yes, the Village Developer makes changes as they see fit.