[banjobob]

Sure the courses have suffered from the drought but they all have sprinklers and I'm sure they have the knowledge to keep them in proper condition, one of my pet peeves is lazy golfers that don't repair ball marks, raking the sand ,not sanding divots some golfers don't even have a sand bottle on their carts, take a large divot and just walk off SAD

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by Dwyane Johnson

From what I've seen, cane garden was the only champ course not to overseed the greens last winter and have the best greens in the villages right now. Looks like cane is verticutting and grooming the right way. Best I've seen cane in a long time!

What is with you and verticutting? Do you understand why verticutting is done? It is not a be all and end all to greens maintenance. It's a practice that, unless there are specific problems, is usually done once or twice a year in order to keep thatch at its optimum level. A groomer is a round brush like device that attaches to the mower. Again, it is usually used to address a specific problem and not necessarily part of regular. daily, weekly, or monthly maintenance.

I was in the golf business for forty years, but my area of expertise was not course maintenance. I've have worked very closely with several excellent golf course superintendents and I would never tell any of the exactly what kind of procedures need to improve the golf course.

[graciegirl]

Anybody see the greens at The Players Club at the tournament on Television over the weekend?

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by CatskillBill

Tierra Del Sol used to be one of my favorite courses. Not now. Played there Wednesday and the greens are horrible. Black dead spots everywhere, and bumpier than heck. I'm afraid they're in trouble of losing them. It's off my play list.

I played the back nine this morning. The greens do not have any black dead spots anywhere. Probably ten times better than, the condition of Belle Glade.
Even discussed with playing partners.

[swooner]

Originally Posted by bbrizendine

Having slow and bumpy greens on our Country Club courses has become the norm here. It is apparent that the superintendent is not concerned. It could be more than likely that many people don't know the difference and don't mind it. I played Evans Prairie and Bonifay this week with some guests I have and it was embarrassing. The greens were something like you would find at a muni with no budget. I know we have been in a drought and that has hampered green care but so has everyone else in middle Florida. Visited Disney with my quest as well and the greens were perfect. The fact is that our greens are not cared for in the same professional manner. Our greens need to be verticut and groomed regularly and they are not. Both of these pieces of equipment attach to the greens mowers quickly and are used regularly at well maintained golf courses. Just asking, Is anybody else tired of poor maintenance here ?

Have been playing golf here in TV for 25 years now. Sorry but have to strenuously disagree with this post. In the past 6-12 months the greens in TV Championship courses are better than they have ever been. On the courses I've played regularly, N of 466 and Cane Gdn and Mallory the greens are far better than they have ever been. They are generally quick and putt true. The latter assumes you know how to putt. Even the healing period after aerating is far better than in past years. Even had to repair a few ball marks today on greens that in the past were like concrete. Give it a break pal. You are paying $25-30 a round rather than the $100 or so at Disney. BTW, I'd be happy to provide putting lessons for $30 a half hour. sounds like you might need them.

[stujake]

I have played both country club (often referred to as championship, but far from it) courses and the executive courses here in The Villages. For those of you complaining about the country club courses, you should try the executive courses where the greens are often bumpy and sandy. Sometimes the edge of the green and the start of the first cut fringe are indistinguishable. Then you would appreciate the country club courses. I agree with others who stated that you should look outside The Villages to see if those courses are better. Maybe you need to go to Arizona, where the courses are fantastic; however, green fees are just as fantastic - sometimes nearing $200 or more for 18 holes (unless you purchase one of the available cards that allows a discount for play at some of the courses}. In the end, as the old saying goes, you get what you pay for.

[tikigal]

Originally Posted by perrjojo

I would love to fix the greens for you. If enough people complain to the correct department, perhaps it might help.

I agree, the courses look like Municipal golf courses, and no one does anything about slow play. 4.5 hours today to play Hacienda Hills at 4400 yds off the green tees, that is a joke. Sit and wait on every hole. We'd be thrown off the course at a country club, and it's not even 5100-5300 yards, standard women's course. What a joke!
Let's make everyone happy seems to be there policy... like who is that???? People who can't play golf, and have no etiquette, they shouldn't even play championship golf!

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by swooner

Have been playing golf here in TV for 25 years now. Sorry but have to strenuously disagree with this post. In the past 6-12 months the greens in TV Championship courses are better than they have ever been. On the courses I've played regularly, N of 466 and Cane Gdn and Mallory the greens are far better than they have ever been. They are generally quick and putt true. The latter assumes you know how to putt. Even the healing period after aerating is far better than in past years. Even had to repair a few ball marks today on greens that in the past were like concrete. Give it a break pal. You are paying $25-30 a round rather than the $100 or so at Disney. BTW, I'd be happy to provide putting lessons for $30 a half hour. sounds like you might need them.

And I will have to disagree.

While I've only been playing TV championship courses since the first time we first rented 8 years ago, the greens at most of the courses (since last summer)... are worse than at any other time in the last 8 years IMHO.

I am not one of those who judge greens on how 'green' they are as I don't care if they're brown in spots, as long as they are healthy, smooth, evenly cut, have a stimp of at least 7 and most of all to me...are consistent from one green to another on the same course.

What I have see of late, is a lot of attention given to the putting greens whereby they look great and putt nicely and then finding the ones on the course...are drastically different.

I have also seen lately, where the person mowing the greens does not take the time to make that last pass all the way around the green against the collar, which means you can be on the edge of the green...but putting through several days of growth.

Both conditions pointing to management issues...NOT lack of water or other issues of nature.




As a general comment for those who seem to instantly have a knee-jerk reaction to any criticism, of any part, of any action, of any person of The Villages, please try to keep in mind...everyone is entitled to their opinion without the refrain of.... 'if you don't like it move.'

Thank you.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

And I will have to disagree.

While I've only been playing TV championship courses since the first time we first rented 8 years ago, the greens at most of the courses (since last summer)... are worse than at any other time in the last 8 years IMHO.

I am not one of those who judge greens on how 'green' they are as I don't care if they're brown in spots, as long as they are healthy, smooth, evenly cut, have a stimp of at least 7 and most of all to me...are consistent from one green to another on the same course.

What I have see of late, is a lot of attention given to the putting greens whereby they look great and putt nicely and then finding the ones on the course...are drastically different.

I have also seen lately, where the person mowing the greens does not take the time to make that last pass all the way around the green against the collar, which means you can be on the edge of the green...but putting through several days of growth.

Both conditions pointing to management issues...NOT lack of water or other issues of nature.




As a general comment for those who seem to instantly have a knee-jerk reaction to any criticism, of any part, of any action, of any person of The Villages, please try to keep in mind...everyone is entitled to their opinion without the refrain of.... 'if you don't like it move.'

Thank you.

Have you shared with country club administration?

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

...everyone is entitled to their opinion without the refrain of.... 'if you don't like it move.' ...

Hmm. Is that not an opinion too?

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Hmm. Is that not an opinion too?

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[tmbromley]

I've been here for 4 years now and things would be better if the management would aerate the greens on all the courses at the same time and not taking a month or more to do it. We understand but when you spread it out it just seems like it takes forever to get em right! Then just about the time they're perfect in two weeks they start it all over again and we have really nice betmuda greens only about two weeks or so after each aeration all because they won't do them all at the same time. Then after they aerate them the second time for about two weeks we have nice Bermuda greens only to have them seeded with rye and so the best greens are in the winter which is totally different than Bermuda grass. It's pretty rediculous. Overseeing the greens heavily this far north in FL is just plain bad policy. If they overseeded very lightly the greens would come back quickly in the spring but they don't get the spring spurt because it takes so long for the rye to completely die out. Just poor management! Really kind of sad and the golfers pay and never hardly experience really good Bermuda greens. It's done by a management that doesn't care about the golfer but only having green grass so the Villages can sell real estate. Sad indeed! Who wants piece meal aeration for over a month? It's nuts! Same thing every darn year!

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Have you shared with country club administration?

Yes.

Why do you want to know?

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Hmm. Is that not an opinion too?

Obviously...it is.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

Originally Posted by tmbromley

I've been here for 4 years now and things would be better if the management would aerate the greens on all the courses at the same time and not taking a month or more to do it. We understand but when you spread it out it just seems like it takes forever to get em right! Then just about the time they're perfect in two weeks they start it all over again and we have really nice betmuda greens only about two weeks or so after each aeration all because they won't do them all at the same time. Then after they aerate them the second time for about two weeks we have nice Bermuda greens only to have them seeded with rye and so the best greens are in the winter which is totally different than Bermuda grass. It's pretty rediculous. Overseeing the greens heavily this far north in FL is just plain bad policy. If they overseeded very lightly the greens would come back quickly in the spring but they don't get the spring spurt because it takes so long for the rye to completely die out. Just poor management! Really kind of sad and the golfers pay and never hardly experience really good Bermuda greens. It's done by a management that doesn't care about the golfer but only having green grass so the Villages can sell real estate. Sad indeed! Who wants piece meal aeration for over a month? It's nuts! Same thing every darn year!

I think that the idea of staggering the aerification is two-fold. First of all, it would require an army of workers and equipment to do them all on the same day or even in the same week. Secondly, by staggering the times, golfers always have the option of playing greens that have not been aerified.