[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Most golfers are surprised how easy it is to take 10 shots off your average, with a little course management.

Yeah, just stop playing after 16 holes!

[SHIBUMI]

the best players are not the best teachers, the best teachers are not the best players...........if most people relate scores to the ability to pass on knowledge they are misguided.

the best at anything(sports) cannot teach. But it's easier for them to BS You. They are too into their own stuff and cant relate it to others...........dont be misguided or you may miss out on opportunity to improve.

Originally Posted by BrianL99

Until someone posts their verified/reported scores, they lack any credibility in the minds of most people.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

the best players are not the best teachers, the best teachers are not the best players...........if most people relate scores to the ability to pass on knowledge they are misguided.

the best at anything(sports) cannot teach. But it's easier for them to BS You. They are too into their own stuff and cant relate it to others...........dont be misguided or you may miss out on opportunity to improve.

In other words, some teachers are all talk? Do as I say, not as I do?

Anyone who teaches anything, should be perfectly willing to display their talent or proficiency at what they profess to teach or at a minimum, justify why they're qualified to teach.

Everything other than that, is nothing but noise and theory, with nothing of substance to back it up.

[SHIBUMI]

Who have you taken lessons from????

I had a new lady member saying she wanted a golf lesson. I said great, I know I can help you............I asked if she took a lesson at her last club and what did she learn.
She scowled at me and said, I learned HE knew how to hit a golf ball. Not a good teacher!

Elaborate on justify to me they are qualified to teach..........be specific, thanks

Originally Posted by BrianL99

In other words, some teachers are all talk? Do as I say, not as I do?

Anyone who teaches anything, should be perfectly willing to display their talent or proficiency at what they profess to teach or at a minimum, justify why they're qualified to teach.

Everything other than that, is nothing but noise and theory, with nothing of substance to back it up.

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

Who have you taken lessons from????

Elaborate on justify to me they are qualified to teach..........be specific, thanks

Oh geez ... specific? (1) Major Winner on the PGA Tour. A current coach of 10 K-F & PGA Tour players. 2 Teachers in GD "Top 100 Teachers" and 1 in GD's "Top 50 Young Teachers" ... the list goes on, I like to learn.

I only take lessons from qualified players/teachers, who can beat me like a drum in an 18 hole match.

What do you shoot for 18 holes. Be specific. My scores are attached.

[jimhoward]

So is SHIBUMI trying to get readers and posters on the TOTV forum to hire him to give them golf lessons? I find that odd, but if so he should at least verify that he is a class A PGA professional and has passed his course work and playing test. That is a necessary but not sufficient qualification for being a teacher. We need more legitimate pros around here. With the number of courses and players it is crazy how few there are.

If this post is an advertisement, make it an advertisement. If it is instead a discussion of swing mechanics, then great lets make it that.

[SHIBUMI]

Retired PGA Professional..........Golf Professional of the year 3 times, twice in 1 of the PGA Sections. Hall of Fame Inductee in one location.....average club pro player

Current Handicap is I don't have one............Scores 70-78 depending on tees, play blue or gold,

Swing mechanics have always interested me. More important is golfers interpretation of those mechanics and how that interpretation can screw up their swings.

The one thing that no one teaches is how to co-ordinate your golf swing. They teach a lot of things but not that. My retirement focus(research/entertainment) at times is on that. Concepts are taught, how to co-ordinate those concepts isn't. It's left to the golfer to figure out. And in most cases they dont.

Grabbed a few folks at the driving range and within 30 minutes their ball striking was transformed. More solid(impact) and smaller margin of error. Very sweet!

After 1 month of a new process, the 23 became a 10, the 16 became an 8, the 27 became a 17, the 20 became a 10. I was amazed as we only worked on full swings, woods and irons.
Maybe 3 or 4 times contact with each on their progress.

I saw a fellow with a very good swing and the ball was not in a small enough margin of error. I watched intently as he started messing with his swing but had to stop him and convince him not to screw up a good swing. I actually fixed his club set-up and made him understand that when the shaft flexes the head of the club closes slightly at impact and flattens slightly. This is why at set-up, the face of the club should be slightly open and the toe slightly off ground to compensate for the flexing of the shaft. In addition, the ball should not be in the middle of the club face but closer to the hosel. When centripital force occurs the clubface is pulled closer to the body and thats how you get the center of the club face. Watch the guys on TV and you will see the open face, toe up slightly and ball near hosel, most folks dont look at these things. Well he got rid of his excess draw and his margin of error decreased substantially. So he stopped screwing with his swing.

I explained this process in an earlier message, it was picking a side to lead your golf swing. No wrong answer just your answer. The ball will tell you which is best, always listen to the ball.

I watch a lot of people getting fitted for clubs who have no golf swing. Actually gave a couple of fitters a mini lesson and realized they have a minimal amount of knowledge as well. They fit to a repeating motion even if bad. Thats what they are taught to do. Problem is, that repeating motion doesn't repeat that often. Even the fitters contact improved.

I have not encountered rejection, which I expected, trepidation maybe at first, but once they see results they are all in. So I dabble in research of the golfers mind and how it takes in all the print, you tube and TV swing data. Does it help, it most cases not.

Met a pro in Datona. He said he played with Moe Norman once. He shot 75 Moe shot 68. He was proud of his 75 and asked Mo what he thought about his swing. Moe said, " You got nothing, too many pieces.

Shibumi is a mystical character that comes out of nowhere to solve problems. In this case golf swing problems. So he collects data from all types of golfers to improve his swing problem solving.

Did it for many years, tough to break a habit, the fee was high, but few lessons were needed.
Not looking to restart just looking to continue research in my retirement. Its my entertainment And I like to remain anonymous, thank you.

I probably have said too much and am not looking for bookings.

Originally Posted by jimhoward

So is SHIBUMI trying to get readers and posters on the TOTV forum to hire him to give them golf lessons? I find that odd, but if so he should at least verify that he is a class A PGA professional and has passed his course work and playing test. That is a necessary but not sufficient qualification for being a teacher. We need more legitimate pros around here. With the number of courses and players it is crazy how few there are.

If this post is an advertisement, make it an advertisement. If it is instead a discussion of swing mechanics, then great lets make it that.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

Retired PGA Professional..........Golf Professional of the year 3 times, twice in 1 of the PGA Sections. Hall of Fame Inductee in one location.....average club pro player

Current Handicap is I don't have one............Scores 70-78 depending on tees, play blue or gold,

Swing mechanics have always interested me. More important is golfers interpretation of those mechanics and how that interpretation can screw up their swings.

The one thing that no one teaches is how to co-ordinate your golf swing. They teach a lot of things but not that. My retirement focus(research/entertainment) at times is on that. Concepts are taught, how to co-ordinate those concepts isn't. It's left to the golfer to figure out. And in most cases they dont.

Grabbed a few folks at the driving range and within 30 minutes their ball striking was transformed. More solid(impact) and smaller margin of error. Very sweet!

After 1 month of a new process, the 23 became a 10, the 16 became an 8, the 27 became a 17, the 20 became a 10. I was amazed as we only worked on full swings, woods and irons.
Maybe 3 or 4 times contact with each on their progress.

I saw a fellow with a very good swing and the ball was not in a small enough margin of error. I watched intently as he started messing with his swing but had to stop him and convince him not to screw up a good swing. I actually fixed his club set-up and made him understand that when the shaft flexes the head of the club closes slightly at impact and flattens slightly. This is why at set-up, the face of the club should be slightly open and the toe slightly off ground to compensate for the flexing of the shaft. In addition, the ball should not be in the middle of the club face but closer to the hosel. When centripital force occurs the clubface is pulled closer to the body and thats how you get the center of the club face. Watch the guys on TV and you will see the open face, toe up slightly and ball near hosel, most folks dont look at these things. Well he got rid of his excess draw and his margin of error decreased substantially. So he stopped screwing with his swing.

I explained this process in an earlier message, it was picking a side to lead your golf swing. No wrong answer just your answer. The ball will tell you which is best, always listen to the ball.

I watch a lot of people getting fitted for clubs who have no golf swing. Actually gave a couple of fitters a mini lesson and realized they have a minimal amount of knowledge as well. They fit to a repeating motion even if bad. Thats what they are taught to do. Problem is, that repeating motion doesn't repeat that often. Even the fitters contact improved.

I have not encountered rejection, which I expected, trepidation maybe at first, but once they see results they are all in. So I dabble in research of the golfers mind and how it takes in all the print, you tube and TV swing data. Does it help, it most cases not.

Met a pro in Datona. He said he played with Moe Norman once. He shot 75 Moe shot 68. He was proud of his 75 and asked Mo what he thought about his swing. Moe said, " You got nothing, too many pieces.

Shibumi is a mystical character that comes out of nowhere to solve problems. In this case golf swing problems. So he collects data from all types of golfers to improve his swing problem solving.

Did it for many years, tough to break a habit, the fee was high, but few lessons were needed.
Not looking to restart just looking to continue research in my retirement. Its my entertainment And I like to remain anonymous, thank you.

I probably have said too much and am not looking for bookings.

Alright! You’ve got me intrigued. (No wonder you keep giving good advice about how to play. Thank you, by the way.)

[BrianL99]

This post is longer than most anyone wants to read, I apologize. I have too much time on my hands while nursing an injury and I'm tired of so-called "golf experts" and instructors, trying to teach recreational, mid-high handicap golfers, like they have aspirations to play the Senior Tour. The goal of recreational golf is to have fun, not to beat balls on a driving range, trying to learn a new swing at 70 years old.

Originally Posted by jimhoward

So is SHIBUMI trying to get readers and posters on the TOTV forum to hire him to give them golf lessons? I find that odd, but if so he should at least verify that he is a class A PGA professional and has passed his course work and playing test. That is a necessary but not sufficient qualification for being a teacher. We need more legitimate pros around here. With the number of courses and players it is crazy how few there are.

Let's be honest here. In order to join the PGA union, a person has to ONCE demonstrate the ability to shoot within 15 strokes of a Course Rating, over 36 holes. As long as a member keeps paying his dues and attends a seminar or 2, every three years, he gets to keep calling himself a PGA Professional. There is no obligation to (ever) hit another golf ball. Many PGA Professionals can't break 85 on a regular basis. The Head Professional at a club I belong to, could barely break 85 on her best day. She could play in the mid-high 70's, when she was in college. (She recently got fired.)

What The Villages could use, are more teachers who get out of their cubicle at Sarasota and visit a golf course, where it all happens.

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

Grabbed a few folks at the driving range and within 30 minutes their ball striking was transformed. More solid(impact) and smaller margin of error. Very sweet!

& this folks, is what no golfer needs. Unsolicited "help" from a random person at the range. It's what we see every day at golf ranges in TV. Husbands who can't break 100, teaching their wives.

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

After 1 month of a new process, the 23 became a 10, the 16 became an 8, the 27 became a 17, the 20 became a 10. I was amazed as we only worked on full swings, woods and irons.
Maybe 3 or 4 times contact with each on their progress.

Let's see your students GHIN records. Without that, it's merely noise.

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

Retired PGA Professional..........Golf Professional of the year 3 times, twice in 1 of the PGA Sections. Hall of Fame Inductee in one location

Why not simply post your awards for teaching? "Golf Professional of the Year" has nothing to do with teaching or playing. PGA Sectional awards for "PGA Teacher of the Year" have some credibility, every other award is either a popularity contest, or related to member engagement or shirt merchandising.

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

Current Handicap is I don't have one............Scores 70-78 depending on tees, play blue or gold

How convenient. Post your scores from some credible source or events you've played in. Or, I’ll put up $500 to your $100, you can’t break 80 from the Gold Tees. You pick the course and date, any Championship course in The Villages is fine.

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

I play blues, and at 74 I can still hit it 270 with the driver, the ego's of the other players:

I’ve got $500 to your $100, you can’t carry the ball 235 yards. Name the course and date, I’ll be there.

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

Retired
And I like to remain anonymous, thank you..

If I couldn’t back up everything I type, I’d remain anonymous too.

Originally Posted by SHIBUMI

made him understand that when the shaft flexes the head of the club closes slightly at impact and flattens slightly. This is why at set-up, the face of the club should be slightly open and the toe slightly off ground to compensate for the flexing of the shaft. In addition, the ball should not be in the middle of the club face but closer to the hosel. When centripital force occurs the clubface is pulled closer to the body and thats how you get the center of the club face. Watch the guys on TV and you will see the open face, toe up slightly and ball near hosel, most folks dont look at these things. Well he got rid of his excess draw and his margin of error decreased substantially. So he stopped screwing with his swing.

The above is exactly what's wrong with most golf instruction, particularly instruction you'll get from an old time PGA professional. They believe what they were taught in the 60's and 70's, much of which has been disproven by high-speed video and launch monitors.
Hardly a single PGA Tour player sets up with the ball anywhere other than the center of the club face (Fuzzy Zoeller was a prime example of not doing that, 45 years ago). Why? Because modern irons and shafts are designed to counter act the poor flex characteristics of old line shafts. The "sweet spot" in golf irons from the 60's, was nearer the hosel, that is no longer true. Modern golf irons almost all have a sweet spot in the middle of the club face. It's amazing what 60 years of technology has done for the golf game.

Golf is not about swing theory. It is not about the effects of centrifugal force on your club face. You're not swinging hard enough for that to matter and you’re surely not swinging fast enough, you need to worry about "making compensations" for shaft flex.
Golf at the recreational level, is about keeping your golf ball in front of you, until you get it in the hole. Don't let anyone complicate the game if you want to have fun playing golf.

Grip: A grip that allows you to return the clubface to “square” most times.
Alignment: You need to know how to “aim” (railroad tracks)
Setup: You need to know where to put the ball in your stance and do it consistently.
Posture: You need a posture that gives you room to swing and that you can maintain throughout the golf swing.
You need to learn course management.
You need to stop being afraid to putt unconscientiously (Dave Stockton).

I’ll be in The Villages as soon my broken ribs heal up, probably 11/1. If anyone wants a free lesson on a Championship course, just send me a message. I have no interest in being a golf instructor or coach, but I love hearing other golfers say, “****, this isn’t as hard as I thought”.

[SHIBUMI]

Email the wiz and your life will change. But don't look behind the curtain.
Hopefully thousands of you will respond...........

Originally Posted by BrianL99

This post is longer than most anyone wants to read, I apologize. I have too much time on my hands while nursing an injury and I'm tired of so-called "golf experts" and instructors, trying to teach recreational, mid-high handicap golfers, like they have aspirations to play the Senior Tour. The goal of recreational golf is to have fun, not to beat balls on a driving range, trying to learn a new swing at 70 years old.



Let's be honest here. In order to join the PGA union, a person has to ONCE demonstrate the ability to shoot within 15 strokes of a Course Rating, over 36 holes. As long as a member keeps paying his dues and attends a seminar or 2, every three years, he gets to keep calling himself a PGA Professional. There is no obligation to (ever) hit another golf ball. Many PGA Professionals can't break 85 on a regular basis. The Head Professional at a club I belong to, could barely break 85 on her best day. She could play in the mid-high 70's, when she was in college. (She recently got fired.)

What The Villages could use, are more teachers who get out of their cubicle at Sarasota and visit a golf course, where it all happens.



& this folks, is what no golfer needs. Unsolicited "help" from a random person at the range. It's what we see every day at golf ranges in TV. Husbands who can't break 100, teaching their wives.



Let's see your students GHIN records. Without that, it's merely noise.



Why not simply post your awards for teaching? "Golf Professional of the Year" has nothing to do with teaching or playing. PGA Sectional awards for "PGA Teacher of the Year" have some credibility, every other award is either a popularity contest, or related to member engagement or shirt merchandising.



How convenient. Post your scores from some credible source or events you've played in. Or, I’ll put up $500 to your $100, you can’t break 80 from the Gold Tees. You pick the course and date, any Championship course in The Villages is fine.



I’ve got $500 to your $100, you can’t carry the ball 235 yards. Name the course and date, I’ll be there.



If I couldn’t back up everything I type, I’d remain anonymous too.


The above is exactly what's wrong with most golf instruction, particularly instruction you'll get from an old time PGA professional. They believe what they were taught in the 60's and 70's, much of which has been disproven by high-speed video and launch monitors.
Hardly a single PGA Tour player sets up with the ball anywhere other than the center of the club face (Fuzzy Zoeller was a prime example of not doing that, 45 years ago). Why? Because modern irons and shafts are designed to counter act the poor flex characteristics of old line shafts. The "sweet spot" in golf irons from the 60's, was nearer the hosel, that is no longer true. Modern golf irons almost all have a sweet spot in the middle of the club face. It's amazing what 60 years of technology has done for the golf game.

Golf is not about swing theory. It is not about the effects of centrifugal force on your club face. You're not swinging hard enough for that to matter and you’re surely not swinging fast enough, you need to worry about "making compensations" for shaft flex.
Golf at the recreational level, is about keeping your golf ball in front of you, until you get it in the hole. Don't let anyone complicate the game if you want to have fun playing golf.

Grip: A grip that allows you to return the clubface to “square” most times.
Alignment: You need to know how to “aim” (railroad tracks)
Setup: You need to know where to put the ball in your stance and do it consistently.
Posture: You need a posture that gives you room to swing and that you can maintain throughout the golf swing.
You need to learn course management.
You need to stop being afraid to putt unconscientiously (Dave Stockton).

I’ll be in The Villages as soon my broken ribs heal up, probably 11/1. If anyone wants a free lesson on a Championship course, just send me a message. I have no interest in being a golf instructor or coach, but I love hearing other golfers say, “****, this isn’t as hard as I thought”.

[SHIBUMI]

Just trying to pass along some golf happiness....... in spite of the naysayer

Originally Posted by Velvet

Alright! You’ve got me intrigued. (No wonder you keep giving good advice about how to play. Thank you, by the way.)

[SHIBUMI]

who is always jealous of the popularity of the golf pro.........

Originally Posted by BrianL99

This post is longer than most anyone wants to read, I apologize. I have too much time on my hands while nursing an injury and I'm tired of so-called "golf experts" and instructors, trying to teach recreational, mid-high handicap golfers, like they have aspirations to play the Senior Tour. The goal of recreational golf is to have fun, not to beat balls on a driving range, trying to learn a new swing at 70 years old.



Let's be honest here. In order to join the PGA union, a person has to ONCE demonstrate the ability to shoot within 15 strokes of a Course Rating, over 36 holes. As long as a member keeps paying his dues and attends a seminar or 2, every three years, he gets to keep calling himself a PGA Professional. There is no obligation to (ever) hit another golf ball. Many PGA Professionals can't break 85 on a regular basis. The Head Professional at a club I belong to, could barely break 85 on her best day. She could play in the mid-high 70's, when she was in college. (She recently got fired.)

What The Villages could use, are more teachers who get out of their cubicle at Sarasota and visit a golf course, where it all happens.



& this folks, is what no golfer needs. Unsolicited "help" from a random person at the range. It's what we see every day at golf ranges in TV. Husbands who can't break 100, teaching their wives.



Let's see your students GHIN records. Without that, it's merely noise.



Why not simply post your awards for teaching? "Golf Professional of the Year" has nothing to do with teaching or playing. PGA Sectional awards for "PGA Teacher of the Year" have some credibility, every other award is either a popularity contest, or related to member engagement or shirt merchandising.



How convenient. Post your scores from some credible source or events you've played in. Or, I’ll put up $500 to your $100, you can’t break 80 from the Gold Tees. You pick the course and date, any Championship course in The Villages is fine.



I’ve got $500 to your $100, you can’t carry the ball 235 yards. Name the course and date, I’ll be there.



If I couldn’t back up everything I type, I’d remain anonymous too.


The above is exactly what's wrong with most golf instruction, particularly instruction you'll get from an old time PGA professional. They believe what they were taught in the 60's and 70's, much of which has been disproven by high-speed video and launch monitors.
Hardly a single PGA Tour player sets up with the ball anywhere other than the center of the club face (Fuzzy Zoeller was a prime example of not doing that, 45 years ago). Why? Because modern irons and shafts are designed to counter act the poor flex characteristics of old line shafts. The "sweet spot" in golf irons from the 60's, was nearer the hosel, that is no longer true. Modern golf irons almost all have a sweet spot in the middle of the club face. It's amazing what 60 years of technology has done for the golf game.

Golf is not about swing theory. It is not about the effects of centrifugal force on your club face. You're not swinging hard enough for that to matter and you’re surely not swinging fast enough, you need to worry about "making compensations" for shaft flex.
Golf at the recreational level, is about keeping your golf ball in front of you, until you get it in the hole. Don't let anyone complicate the game if you want to have fun playing golf.

Grip: A grip that allows you to return the clubface to “square” most times.
Alignment: You need to know how to “aim” (railroad tracks)
Setup: You need to know where to put the ball in your stance and do it consistently.
Posture: You need a posture that gives you room to swing and that you can maintain throughout the golf swing.
You need to learn course management.
You need to stop being afraid to putt unconscientiously (Dave Stockton).

I’ll be in The Villages as soon my broken ribs heal up, probably 11/1. If anyone wants a free lesson on a Championship course, just send me a message. I have no interest in being a golf instructor or coach, but I love hearing other golfers say, “****, this isn’t as hard as I thought”.

[Hape2Bhr]

I noticed over the past weekend that Scottie Scheffler's longtime coach is a PGA professional. Whoda thunk that!

[BrianL99]

Originally Posted by Hape2Bhr

I noticed over the past weekend that Scottie Scheffler's longtime coach is a PGA professional. Whoda thunk that!

Randy Smith has been Scottie's coach since he was a kid. Randy is GD Top 50 Instructor. He's been an instructor to PGA Tour players for almost 50 years. He was Justin Leonard's teacher in the 80's.