[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Normal

We have many shuttered facilities for auto manufacturing that could be reopened within weeks too. I say bring those incomes back from Canada and Mexico. Let’s pay Americans to do those jobs first.

Steel plants could fire up production within the month.
US Steel will cut jobs, close plants, move HQ from Pittsburgh if Nippon sale fails, CEO warns

So easy to say. Not so easy to do. Much has changed.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by Whatnext

Why should Thailand, or any other country be penalized for making goods for American companies?
Corporate America are the ones who took industry away from the American workers in pursuit of higher profits. Let them pick up the tab for the import tariffs.

They do .... then add it to the price. If they didn't, there would be no profit. No profit, no imported goods That is why tariffs hurt consumers.

[Arctic Fox]

Originally Posted by skarra

why do we want low paying and now largely automated manufacturing jobs when we do services so well and have a surplus in that respect with nearly every nation? China owns cheap manufacturing now - we need to get over it. The services industry includes Banking/finance, High Tech, Accounting, Tourism, etc. Isn't that what young people want?

The effect of tariffs on tourism has largely been overlooked. 35 million foreigners visited the USA last year. Most of the World currently views the USA unfavorably so it will be interesting to see the drop in overseas tourist numbers. There are plenty of "friendly" countries to visit instead.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Sunnyme

Disagree completely, many foreign auto manufacturers have found a way to be competitive building cars and trucks in the USA. Subaru in Lafeyette IN, Toyota has 10 automotive plants in the USA, Honda in Marysville OH and there are more.
Other foreign manufacturers that do not have a US manufacturing presence but want to sell here need to also build here.

The USA manufacturers that have moved plants and jobs to Mexico and SE Asia need to be reeled in.

And for the folks that say manufacturing today in all done by robots,, someone needs to design that manufacturing system, someone needs to design and build the robots, someone needs to service and maintain the manufacturing system and the robots, someone needs to design and build the facility that holds the manufacturing system and the robots, someone needs so plan and organize the production of the manufacturing system someone need to schedule the shipping and logistics for the product that is produced, and on and on. These are all jobs that should be here in the USA. Manufacturing sites also increase the local tax base providing money for infrastructure and schools.
Be American-Buy American.

Come on, that was WAY too easy. Subaru is assembled in Indiana - from parts made in Japan. This is like - not news. At all. Indiana is an ASSEMBLY plant, not a MANUFACTURING plant.

There is very little "made in the USA" that is 100% "made in the USA." In most cases - parts, ingredients, components, are made in other countries.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

Pakistan (using the same country as above for the example) a local student can easily pay less than $5,000 per year in tuition. They have to fund their own housing, living expenses, elective fees but if they live nearby at home, the additional cost is negligible.

You mean they not getting student loans for apartments, vehicles, vacations, and spring breaks in Cancun or Miami Beach? They haven’t been Americanized yet have they?

No, Pakistani culture values high work ethics and education. Something you don't see as much of here in the states.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by skarra

Seriously though (attached graphic), why do we want low paying and now largely automated manufacturing jobs when we do services so well and have a surplus in that respect with nearly every nation? China owns cheap manufacturing now - we need to get over it.

The services industry includes Banking/finance, High Tech, Accounting, Tourism, etc. Isn't that what young people want?

Not all young people have the math skills to be accountants. or high tech. But, they could do maintenance jobs (with some training) on robotic and AI manufacturing factories. That way we would be paying our own PATRIOTIC citizens while NOT paying China, which we are in competition with militarily. When we buy Chinese made goods we are also paying for their air force and space force operations. Also, the skills that US young adults learn in a US factory maintenance company could be transferred to the US Military in the case of a WAR. If we made an effort as a Country to emphasize SOME non-College jobs, we could strengthen the vanishing middle class and TRULY make America STRONGER. It would help, also, if we changed the tax brackets to help the middle class re-GROW itself.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by salpal

agree....can you imagine Americans sewing blue jeans in a factory for very small wages? We want to encourage young people to STEM careers. People forget...the robots are coming. Do we want the USA to go back to the 1800's with factories? No, we want to be supreme in technology and all STEM areas.

Ideally, the jeans would be made on a ROBOTIC assembly line.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Your upbeat message leaves me scratching my head... so often I hear now how this country CAN'T do anything anymore. Bullroar, all we need is some backbone and ambition.

No one takes into account the handouts that it takes to float the boat of all the jobless people here not to mention the crime involved with much of that joblessness. Take the whole picture into one's view and remember, no one is trying to eliminate everything, just balance it out. And as important as STEM is, it is not the end all answer to all employment problems. Not everyone wants to be a rocket scientist.

One problem is that rocket scientists do NOT make as much money as Wall Street types. That's why not enough are going into STEM careers.

[Taltarzac725]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

One problem is that rocket scientists do NOT make as much money as Wall Street types. That's why not enough are going into STEM carriers.

Those are both very hard jobs to get.

We do need more bureaucrats though. Intelligent compassionate and well organized ones. For instance, there are a some computers that now may have troubles working because of some of the recent job cuts. Especially those written in older computer codes.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by FloridaGuy66

The top 10 "quality of living" countries mostly have manufacturing as a low percentage of their workforce. We need to look for new solutions, not try old ones that have failed for good reason.

Actually, I just looked that up and Germany is in the top ten for manufacturing and the other nations have high manufacturing also. If we are looking to change to more like those top ten "quality of life" counties, they all have National Health Care.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Ideally, the jeans would be made on a ROBOTIC assembly line.

How can you simultaneously be pro-union and pro-robot? They are diametrically opposed.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725

We do need more bureaucrats though. Intelligent compassionate and well organized ones.

That's hilarious 🤣

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Your upbeat message leaves me scratching my head... so often I hear now how this country CAN'T do anything anymore. Bullroar, all we need is some backbone and ambition.

No one takes into account the handouts that it takes to float the boat of all the jobless people here not to mention the crime involved with much of that joblessness. Take the whole picture into one's view and remember, no one is trying to eliminate everything, just balance it out. And as important as STEM is, it is not the end all answer to all employment problems. Not everyone wants to be a rocket scientist.

One reason for jobless people is too much legal and illegal immigration in the last 50 years. Also, drug dealers and HARD drugs hurt the ambition of working age people. Also, it kills many of them in their PRIME earning days.

[Ruger2506]

I think you all missed the point. If it’s more cost effective to grow a fruit in South America. Ship it to Asia to process it and then ship it to America to sell (same for beef). There is a fundamental problem that needs to be fixed. Sure clothes, who gives a crap. But food. That should be produced “in house”.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I find it strange that in this thread, no one has even mentioned a need for more people in the medical field, and in health care in general. You want more Americans to be home health aids for seniors who aren't ready for nursing homes yet? Maybe - give more Americans more incentive to qualify as home health aids. Right now, most of them in Florida are immigrants, because they can't FIND Americans who want to do the work.

We have a nursing shortage in Florida. We also have a physician shortage. And an orthopedic surgery shortage. The people who can afford the education necessary to get degrees, don't seem to be interested in those degrees. So we have to seek these professionals from other places. A doctor from Pakistan will be just as qualified to diagnose your hernia as a doctor from Toledo Ohio. If Toledo doesn't want to come to the party, then you need to suck it up, and learn to love the guy from Pakistan. The first step is to stop this "mass deportation" stuff and denaturalizing and cancelling green cards stuff. If they're here LEGALLY and haven't broken any laws while here, then leave them the heck alone and let them continue contributing to society and paying their taxes (yes, immigrants pay taxes).

Don't forget also, medical professionals from other countries pay MUCH less for their medical education than we do here in the States. So they can afford to work for less, when they get here. They have lower payments to pay off any loans, and some of them earn their degrees for free, courtesy of their country of origin.

In Pakistan (using the same country as above for the example) a local student can easily pay less than $5,000 per year in tuition. They have to fund their own housing, living expenses, elective fees but if they live nearby at home, the additional cost is negligible.

30 years ago the Medical Schools went out of their way to make US Medical Schools HARDER to graduate from. Their graduate alumni doctors wanted harder standards so that graduate Doctors could have MORE patients and make more money. US doctors were in charge of US Medical production and all things medical. Then the US population increased drastically and there were not enough US Doctors to handle the NEED.The large medical groups turned Doctors into mere laborers (with big degrees). Doctors are mere worker bees today. And imported Doctors helped make that possible.