[Aces4]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

robots don't increase human employment, they cannabalize human work, so who is going to fund your Social Security then?

The only answer for robotic automation is to tax capital as high as salaries were in the depression, and then provide back universal basic income, (UBI) . . otherwise, agricultural and industrial tax and spend policies won't have a chance.

Interesting, so you think robots will garner and manage their own engineering designs, materials, operation, manufacturing, delivery, maintenance, redesign, obsolescence replacements, electricity, housing, insurance and so forth?

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by EastCoastDawg

True, but tariffs do NOT bring jobs back; they just make things more expensive for you and me.

All of the money raised from tariffs goes straight into the Government coffers.

And that is why there is such a push at this moment to eliminate almost all import, VAT and tariffs from the trade system.

Money in the government coffers? Now there is an interesting premise.

[Papa_lecki]

Oh good, all the agronomy experts are now global economics experts.

[FloridaGuy66]

Originally Posted by MrFlorida

They will start to come back, but it will take time.

Most of those jobs are not the type of jobs that anyone here should want. Bringing in jobs where people are getting paid minimum wage to be on their feet for 9 hours a day for just above minimum wage isn't going to improve this country one bit.

If anything, they will move some manufacturing here, but it will be automated (robots) and use 10% of the labor force. So in the end, there will be almost no American jobs created.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Interesting, so you think robots will garner and manage their own engineering designs, materials, operation, manufacturing, delivery, maintenance, redesign, obsolescence replacements, electricity, housing, insurance and so forth?

my dad was a mechanical design engineer, college after WW2. He started with mathematics log tables and a slide rule. He graduated to a mechanical calculator, of which I got my hand stuck in when I was 7-8 years old. Then when the TRS 80 came out, i programmed the involute curve calculation to speed his long calculations. He loved that. . but CAD/CAM software, reduced his whole department to 1 and him.

And that was in the 2000s

So yeah, there is huge progress continuing with technology to eat as many jobs as possible. You gave a list, great, and those jobs might never go away, but there may be 2 instead of 5 people employed at those jobs.

I have taken a single person's 4 hour daily job and reduced it to 5 minutes for me, and then automated overnight. Human cannabalization continues

[FloridaGuy66]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Interesting, so you think robots will garner and manage their own engineering designs, materials, operation, manufacturing, delivery, maintenance, redesign, obsolescence replacements, electricity, housing, insurance and so forth?

I worked for a number of years in an automotive plant that had all of those roles on site. Those skilled roles made up around 20% of the jobs. The other 80% were people getting paid poorly to do the same 2-3 tasks for 8-10 hours per day like a living robot.

I felt sorry for those people spending 20-30 years of their lives 5-6 days a week doing boring, repetitive tasks that permanently damage their bodies to the point where their retirement isn't going to involve any physical activity like golf or pickleball.

It's a shame people are somehow being fooled into thinking that factory jobs are the ones we should want more of. We need more jobs that utilize modern technologies, biotechnology is something that we're falling very far behind on is one example.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by bopat

China doesn't innovate, they copy

Robots work 24x7x365, China can't compete with that

The old globalism is gone. The new automation, AI and robotics is here and growing.

It will be fueled by high quality USA made products just like before.

Actually China is a copier but they do some innovation and that is growing. Do not think they will catch up with us but they are very good at stealing our technology.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

my dad was a mechanical design engineer, college after WW2. He started with mathematics log tables and a slide rule. He graduated to a mechanical calculator, of which I got my hand stuck in when I was 7-8 years old. Then when the TRS 80 came out, i programmed the involute curve calculation to speed his long calculations. He loved that. . but CAD/CAM software, reduced his whole department to 1 and him.

And that was in the 2000s

So yeah, there is huge progress continuing with technology to eat as many jobs as possible. You gave a list, great, and those jobs might never go away, but there may be 2 instead of 5 people employed at those jobs.

I have taken a single person's 4 hour daily job and reduced it to 5 minutes for me, and then automated overnight. Human cannabalization continues

I do believe that AI will create jobs that are well paying and doing functions that we can never imagine. Till will tell.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

Actually China is a copier but they do some innovation and that is growing. Do not think they will catch up with us but they are very good at stealing our technology.

We educated many of them, they will catch up and overtake us on the current path. China wants to overtake us in technology, and we want to over take them in manufacturing. .

Not thinking this is a fair fight, since mfg is capital intensive, and software in human intensive. . as the US is running out of debt capacity

[EastCoastDawg]

Originally Posted by Aces4

And that is why there is such a push at this moment to eliminate almost all import, VAT and tariffs from the trade system.

?

Have you actually been following the news for the past week?

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

my dad was a mechanical design engineer, college after WW2. He started with mathematics log tables and a slide rule. He graduated to a mechanical calculator, of which I got my hand stuck in when I was 7-8 years old. Then when the TRS 80 came out, i programmed the involute curve calculation to speed his long calculations. He loved that. . but CAD/CAM software, reduced his whole department to 1 and him.

And that was in the 2000s

So yeah, there is huge progress continuing with technology to eat as many jobs as possible. You gave a list, great, and those jobs might never go away, but there may be 2 instead of 5 people employed at those jobs.

I have taken a single person's 4 hour daily job and reduced it to 5 minutes for me, and then automated overnight. Human cannabalization continues

Why hasn't this cannabalization hit China? The more jobs in America, the more jobs that are needed. I think it's a little early for UBI and the death of the USA but then I believe in us.

[jimhoward]

I don’t think too many people will build factories in the US depending on tariffs that could be repealed to be competitive. The people that will built factories in the US will be those, like Hyundai, that were going to do it anyway.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by jimhoward

I don’t think too many people will build factories in the US depending on tariffs that could be repealed to be competitive. The people that will built factories in the US will be those, like Hyundai, that were going to do it anyway.

If that's the case, we will continue to pay much more for anything we purchase in that we will be shelling it out for unemployed benefits, Medicaid, housing/rental assistance, heat/electricity assistance, food stamps and more. People who aren't involved in their existence lose their identity and pride.

We will be paying the nickels one way or another, there are no free rides.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by EastCoastDawg

?

Have you actually been following the news for the past week?

I've had a good peek at it and have to say it is encouraging. Many things the wrongs created will not be corrected without some sacrifice, that won't happen.

If I was a stock market person, I would be investing now. That not is not advice for others, it is just my perspective of things to come.

[jbartle1]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I've had a good peek at it and have to say it is encouraging. Many things the wrongs created will not be corrected without some sacrifice, that won't happen.

If I was a stock market person, I would be investing now. That not is not advice for others, it is just my perspective of things to come.

Funny how the correction and sacrifice doesn’t affect billionares, hmmmm!!!!????