[Cuervo]

Originally Posted by maggie1

Geez, leave the poor guy alone. He's out of office, has prostate cancer, and his memory is shot.

I'm happy with United Healthcare they have always taken care of my needs.
But at the end of the day all these healthcare plans are profit making companies, that is their main goal.
If you live or die is not their main concern.
The alternative is universal healthcare, which also seems to have issues.
Maybe the answer is to form a panel to study a way to deliver a profit free care system that is also problem free.

[Aviator1211]

Originally Posted by Cuervo

I'm happy with United Healthcare they have always taken care of my needs.
But at the end of the day all these healthcare plans are profit making companies, that is their main goal.
If you live or die is not their main concern.
The alternative is universal healthcare, which also seems to have issues.
Maybe the answer is to form a panel to study a way to deliver a profit free care system that is also problem free.

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

[Kathryn Putt]

United is the best Healthcare plan we've had!!

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Aviator1211

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

^This. 100%

[Tvflguy]

This explosive rhetoric has an effect on crazy types out there. Better be very careful....


"Wikipedia":

Brian Robert Thompson[4][5] (July 10, 1974 – December 4, 2024), the CEO of the American health insurance company UnitedHealthcare, was shot and killed in Midtown Manhattan, New York City, on December 4, 2024. The shooting occurred early in the morning outside an entrance to the New York Hilton Midtown.[6] The suspect, initially described as a white man wearing a mask, fled the scene.[1] The words "delay," "deny," and "depose" were inscribed on the cartridge cases used during the shooting. Thompson had previously faced criticism for the company's rejection of insurance claims, and his family reported that he had received death threats.

On December 9, 2024, authorities arrested 26-year-old Luigi Mangione in Altoona, Pennsylvania, and charged him in a Manhattan court with Thompson's killing.[7][8][9] Authorities say that when Mangione was apprehended, he was carrying a 3D-printed pistol and a 3D-printed suppressor consistent with those used in the attack; a short handwritten letter criticizing the American healthcare system; an American passport; and multiple fraudulent IDs, including one with the same name used to check into a hostel on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.[10][11][12] Authorities also said his fingerprints matched the partial smudged prints that investigators found near the New York shooting scene.[13] Police believe that he was inspired by "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and Its Future (1995) and motivated by his own personal views on US health insurance.[14][15]

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Aviator1211

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

You're kidding, right? You want the stock market, which has to crank out a big profit constantly to pay it's something for nothing stockholders, to provide your healthcare coverage? What are some people thinking? Talk about a diminishing level of care and services with high, high premiums...

[Cuervo]

Originally Posted by Aviator1211

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

You do understand that is what we have now.
Maybe it's not run by Tesla or Amazon and maybe these two companies might run more efficient, which is questionable.
But like all free-market health plans they are in this for profit not your health.
And if you are a stockholder in one of these companies you want to see your dividend climb and the way that happens is to dispense the least number of services as possible.

[Cuervo]

Originally Posted by Aviator1211

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

My brother-in-law is a veteran, I am also I have chosen to use United Health Care, he on the other hand decided to use the VA for a large portion of his medical care and he claims they're excellent. Now I do not believe he would lie to me. So, if he is correct, make improvements to the VA and see if they can design a similar program for the general public.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

We shall see, the DOJ has dropped many cases recently which seem like a slam dunk against grifting behaviors, due to changes in administration beliefs and goals. . . so what had been dropped in the past may be reopened under different administration viewpoints. .

doesn't mean that the behaviors didn't happen. Just means that for some reason unknown at this time, that the DOJ declined to pursue prosecution.

CMS rates hospitals for readmissions for a prior procedure, rates nursing homes, skilled care facilities, for management of their population, ie sending residents out to hospitals unnecessarily, and rates insurance companies supervising their patients with case management. Insurance case managers keeping nursing / skilled care facility from sending back their patients would help with insurance reviews and therefore insurance reimbursement rates.

"follow the money" applies in this case. . . not statements defending allegations with facts subject to conditional outcomes. . .

IMO We know how large billion dollar corporations get out of investigations don’t we. Any insurance/supplements are shell game. How else do you think management makes millions year.

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by Tvflguy

This explosive rhetoric has an effect on crazy types out there. Better be very careful....


"Wikipedia":

Brian Robert Thompson[4][5] (July 10, 1974 – December 4, 2024), the CEO of the American health insurance company UnitedHealthcare, was shot and killed in Midtown Manhattan, New York City, on December 4, 2024. The shooting occurred early in the morning outside an entrance to the New York Hilton Midtown.[6] The suspect, initially described as a white man wearing a mask, fled the scene.[1] The words "delay," "deny," and "depose" were inscribed on the cartridge cases used during the shooting. Thompson had previously faced criticism for the company's rejection of insurance claims, and his family reported that he had received death threats.

On December 9, 2024, authorities arrested 26-year-old Luigi Mangione in Altoona, Pennsylvania, and charged him in a Manhattan court with Thompson's killing.[7][8][9] Authorities say that when Mangione was apprehended, he was carrying a 3D-printed pistol and a 3D-printed suppressor consistent with those used in the attack; a short handwritten letter criticizing the American healthcare system; an American passport; and multiple fraudulent IDs, including one with the same name used to check into a hostel on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.[10][11][12] Authorities also said his fingerprints matched the partial smudged prints that investigators found near the New York shooting scene.[13] Police believe that he was inspired by "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski's manifesto Industrial Society and Its Future (1995) and motivated by his own personal views on US health insurance.[14][15]

IMO his problem was silver spoon and over educated? had too much time on his hands (probably a career student, and now has to face reality by thinking on getting job?) cause he didn’t have to have real job and responsibilities being too busy to set around all day reading nonsense.

[fishon]

Originally Posted by maggie1

Geez, leave the poor guy alone. He's out of office, has prostate cancer, and his memory is shot.

Criminals deserve to be punished.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Cuervo

My brother-in-law is a veteran, I am also I have chosen to use United Health Care, he on the other hand decided to use the VA for a large portion of his medical care and he claims they're excellent. Now I do not believe he would lie to me. So, if he is correct, make improvements to the VA and see if they can design a similar program for the general public.

I would give our local V.A. high marks. They can keep medicine costs down because of the ability to buy in volume.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Aces4

You're kidding, right? You want the stock market, which has to crank out a big profit constantly to pay it's something for nothing stockholders, to provide your healthcare coverage? What are some people thinking? Talk about a diminishing level of care and services with high, high premiums...

Better than the alternative, where unelected bureaucrats make all the decisions. I have no issue with companies being profitable as long as it is done in a proper manner.

[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by Cuervo

You do understand that is what we have now.

Not really. The outrageous amount of government regulation in healthcare has created a de facto public/private partnership that benefits almost no one.

But it's still better than fully government-run healthcare where services are rationed. Yes, that's how it works in Canada and the UK.

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by Aviator1211

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

Are you serious? How could anyone use Tesla as the poster child of a well run organization?