[Pugchief]

Originally Posted by tophcfa

How could anyone use Tesla as the poster child of a well run organization?

Please elaborate on why you think Tesla is poorly run. Complete nonsense.

[mbene]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Not really. The outrageous amount of government regulation in healthcare has created a de facto public/private partnership that benefits almost no one.

But it's still better than fully government-run healthcare where services are rationed. Yes, that's how it works in Canada and the UK.

You mean countries with higher life expectancies than the US?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by mbene

You mean countries with higher life expectancies than the US?

He/she probably does

Oh, wait, those countries with a so-called longer life expectancy only have it because they don't count infant mortality the same way we do. I wish I could get the raw numbers to calculate it on an apples-to-apples level playing field, but since they don't count anything before 34-week deliveries, that data doesn't exist. And since most of the data comes from the World Health Organization, it is about as reliable as a used car salesman's promises.

[mbene]

Lots of countries with socialized medicine have better life expectancy and lower infant mortality rates

Infant mortality rate Comparison - The World Factbook

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

He/she probably does

Oh, wait, those countries with a so-called longer life expectancy only have it because they don't count infant mortality the same way we do. I wish I could get the raw numbers to calculate it on an apples-to-apples level playing field, but since they don't count anything before 34-week deliveries, that data doesn't exist. And since most of the data comes from the World Health Organization, it is about as reliable as a used car salesman's promises.

I have often wondered, when China (and other countries) claim that their school students are better at math than U.S. students, are they using a random cross-section of the entire country, or just their best students, who actually go to school?

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Please elaborate on why you think Tesla is poorly run. Complete nonsense.

financials have many falsehoods, except the audited version, and even then not to be trusted based upon how the company and the auditors have negotiated their deal

the CEO has made many promises and most if not all have not been met.

pushing out goals each year for 10 years is not a well run organization

requiring NDA from customers in return for settlements is just bs.

NTSB data supplied is manipulated.

senior management longevity is fairly short, with high turnover, most in it for the large options grants

The stock is highly manipulated using options exploiting market maker delta hedging programs

The company produces a car which is known unsafe. . has a very poor safety rating.

there is so much public information available on the discrepancies and the sliminess of the company. . .

[tophcfa]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

financials have many falsehoods, except the audited version, and even then not to be trusted based upon how the company and the auditors have negotiated their deal

the CEO has made many promises and most if not all have not been met.

pushing out goals each year for 10 years is not a well run organization

requiring NDA from customers in return for settlements is just bs.

NTSB data supplied is manipulated.

senior management longevity is fairly short, with high turnover, most in it for the large options grants

The stock is highly manipulated using options exploiting market maker delta hedging programs

The company produces a car which is known unsafe. . has a very poor safety rating.

there is so much public information available on the discrepancies and the sliminess of the company. . .

Exactly, and so much more. Just follow the history of the disaster that is the Cybertruck for a prime example. The Muskrat is a walking train wreck, and I’m not talking about what he’s done recently. That being said, there is no argument that he is great at making money (at the expense of taxpayers and by ripping off consumers).

[justjim]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Not really. The outrageous amount of government regulation in healthcare has created a de facto public/private partnership that benefits almost no one.

But it's still better than fully government-run healthcare where services are rationed. Yes, that's how it works in Canada and the UK.

Have you ever talked with a Canadian and ask how he/she liked their healthcare? I have and they like it.

[kkingston57]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

financials have many falsehoods, except the audited version, and even then not to be trusted based upon how the company and the auditors have negotiated their deal

the CEO has made many promises and most if not all have not been met.

pushing out goals each year for 10 years is not a well run organization

requiring NDA from customers in return for settlements is just bs.

NTSB data supplied is manipulated.

senior management longevity is fairly short, with high turnover, most in it for the large options grants

The stock is highly manipulated using options exploiting market maker delta hedging programs

The company produces a car which is known unsafe. . has a very poor safety rating.

there is so much public information available on the discrepancies and the sliminess of the company. . .

Forgot Elon and politics. He did a great job of p...ing off his base clientel.

[eyc234]

Originally Posted by Aviator1211

The free market is the answer. There is no car insurance crisis. Why? Because the beneficiary pays the premiums in a free market. If the government and employers paid for our groceries, we would have a similar food crisis. Get them out of the picture and let Amazon, or Tesla, or such get involved. Healthcare would become inexpensive and convenient.

So how is that working with Home insurance!!!!

[eyc234]

Originally Posted by Pugchief

Please elaborate on why you think Tesla is poorly run. Complete nonsense.

Maybe because they are losing money left, and right?

[Topspinmo]

Originally Posted by eyc234

And what will replace it for the millions that are covered. Oh wait the Repubs have nothing and never did anything. Not a Dem but if you complain have a resolution. None has ever been presented.

We have to pass it to see what’s in. Yep, they had something but didn’t know what it was.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by eyc234

Maybe because they are losing money left, and right?

We all know the reason for that and it has nothing to do with how the company is being run.

[Sabella]

Originally Posted by Cuervo

You do understand that is what we have now.
Maybe it's not run by Tesla or Amazon and maybe these two companies might run more efficient, which is questionable.
But like all free-market health plans they are in this for profit not your health.
And if you are a stockholder in one of these companies you want to see your dividend climb and the way that happens is to dispense the least number of services as possible.

Our government and the constant flood of commercials regarding Medicare advantage plans tends to brainwash people to get into a Medicare advantage plan. So the few dollars you’re saving now when you’re a little bit younger and healthier on your Medicare advantage plan (such as no co-pays, free ride to the doctors office, etc.) as you get older and sicker this Medicare advantage plan will cover less and less of your sickness and illnesses than original Medicare would I wish people would wake up.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by eyc234

And what will replace it for the millions that are covered. Oh wait the Repubs have nothing and never did anything. Not a Dem but if you complain have a resolution. None has ever been presented.

straw man argument.

The point is not about replacing/removing Medicare Advantage plans, or other insurance plans, not changing nor eliminating them.

The point is about UNH illegal and unethical behavior denying healthcare for profits. Follow the rules, don't falsify data, and the change is enforcement of the rules. if the program is unprofitable for you, change your cost structure, not promise services and then pull them at the last second. The difference between a third world country and societal beneficial capitalism is rules enforcement with personal punishments. Corporate punishments encourages moral hazard, and does not deter third world country behaviors.

There is a huge gap everywhere between goals and execution, between theory and practice, between ideology and reality. .