Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 520643)

"...They will continue to be your neighbors and living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important in the long run..."/QUOTE]

Rules are rules and following them are important. However, is it more important to have neighbors you are on good terms with or neighbors you don't speak to or associate with? I agree with Gracie when she says "...living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important in the long run." Choose your battles wisely and with your future in mind.

I always think about some good advice given to me years and years ago. That advice was...if you consider this one of the worst things that can happen in your life then run with it. If it isn't one of the worst things that can happen in your life, then let it go. Best advice I've ever been given.

Think about it long and hard before you make your next move.

Originally Posted by flipflopz (Post 520787)

I expect we will have to live with these people for a long time, but when you pay a large premium for a golf course view and then because someone wants their dogs to be able to run without a leash they block the view you paid for I would think you would be upset too. Seems awful selfish to me. All of the neighbors around us have worked together to put in landscaping that wouldn't block each others view of the course. Then we get one person who thinks it's all a out him. We have a right to be mad. One bad apple is all it takes. Is it the worst thing that could happen? The answer is no but hedges and bushes is not what we paid for.

Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 520926)

Also don't assume the company doing the job got the approval either because many don't. And even if theyget approval we know of a job that was approved, after approval the owner changed the plans because he knew nobody comes out after to see if the job was done by the plans. Godd neighbor relations are important but so are your rights.

Originally Posted by philnpat (Post 520961)

I would think the more that's written here on TOTV the more the offending neighbor will have in his arsenal if he gets wind of the postings on TOTV. If I had this problem, I think I'd work with Deed Compliance rather than broadcast it for all to see.

Originally Posted by philnpat (Post 520961)

I would think the more that's written here on TOTV the more the offending neighbor will have in his arsenal if he gets wind of the postings on TOTV. If I had this problem, I think I'd work with Deed Compliance rather than broadcast it for all to see.

Originally Posted by 784caroline (Post 520977)

The talk about a lawsuit is nuts unless you have the backing of ARC, and even then if the ARC cannot resolve it, a judge would most likely throw it back to them and then you are in limbo. .

Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 520994)

That's not the way it works at all, if the ARC guidelines or restrictions are not met, in your deed it clearly states that the developer gives you the right to have them enforced in a Court before or after the work is done.

Moreover, the loser pays all your legal costs by way of the deed restrictions.

I'm reading mine in #215,
5 Enforcement

Spells it out in very simple terms.

If I paid the premium to have a golf view I would exercise my rights to the fullest extent of the law.

Not only is this owner affecting Happynow but also the users of the golf course, which is also spelled out. section 2.7

I'm sure other sections at TV have the same or similar language.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 520998)

And if you sue and you win? What do you win? And what do you lose?

Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 520994)

That's not the way it works at all, if the ARC guidelines or restrictions are not met, in your deed it clearly states that the developer gives you the right to have them enforced in a Court before or after the work is done.

Moreover, the loser pays all your legal costs by way of the deed restrictions.

I'm reading mine in #215,
5 Enforcement

Spells it out in very simple terms.

I'm sure other sections at TV have the same or similar language.

Originally Posted by jane032657 (Post 520804)

Well said. We are only asking that we all work together to preserve everyone's investment. This guy wants nothing to do with anyone and is clearly on a mission. Honestly it's not the dogs we are concerned with at this point, it's the fact that he is recklessly putting up landscaping without any concern for his neighbors view. We all want to get along but he clearly doesn't want to work with anyone. We aren't the only ones who are not happy with his plan. The other neighbors that it affects are very upset as well. I believe this will all get resolved as with a plan like his it is doubtful that it will get approved because he is breaking the rules.

Originally Posted by senior citizen (Post 521003)

I hate to tell you, but some dogs are brazen enough to push through an invisible fence........our neighbor, who are dear friends, is blind to the fact that her aging pooch likes to growl and knock over and bite folks.

"It" ran through the invisible fence on its own property, ran across our very very expansive front lawn and bit my husband's backside, through his pants, when he was getting our mail at the roadside mailbox.

When told, she said, "Oh?"

When they had three black dobermans (this one is a mutt), they would "unite" and growl , baring their teeth, at anyone who approached the home.

We have relatives also, whose dogs knock over people, elderly people, and couldn't care less. They also aren't afraid of the invisible fence.

Go figure. Stay safe. Don't make the dogs your enemies. We were walking up in our foothills once and a nice lady with her very nice teenaged daughter approached with their big black german shepherd pooch who took a dislike to my husband and again, bared his teeth and growled........it was scary, to say the least..........the women just said, "Oh he never does that"...........the dog appeared vicious.

We've had our share of dogs and cats while raising our kids, but tried to take the dogs to "class".......not too easy to train Irish Setters........
but some of our own family treat the pooches more like innocent children who don't need any boundaries........sad to say. GOOD LUCK.

Originally Posted by 784caroline (Post 521020)

Jimbo2012
Yes a homeowner has the right to sue, but as you told me earlier, please read the entire provision. The developer also has the right but not the duty to enforce code violations. As I mentioned before if you dont have the backing of the ARC, your chances of succes are greatly dimisished. If (alleged) covenant violations are brought to their attention of teh ARC and they fail to take action, that does not set a very good legal precedent...or else there is a reason why.

In addition you are talking about a fair amount of money to hire lawyers and especialy if you go to court... you have to ask are you 100% certain of the outcome? You cant sue on emotions....

Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 521010)

You win having any planting installed to code.

You win you right to quite enjoyment.

You lose any hope of having a good neighbor, but that sounds like it is lost anyway, in fact it was mentioned that other neighbors aren't too happy with this either.

But in the end the lawyer really wins.

Let's hope they apply and are explained what they can and can't do.

But if they don't apply for approval then what, let them do as they please? :bowdown::bowdown:

Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 520829)

Thank you for taking the dogs out of the equation. The bottom line is that you would be upset if the neighbors were doing this landscaping regardless of whether or not they had dogs. I think this thread has gotten somewhat sidetracked with all of the dog discussions when the truth is that the situation can be boiled down very simply--they are putting up landscaping that interferes with a view that you paid for an you feel you are entitled to. The real question is whether or not your neighbors are within their rights to put up this landscaping. If they are within their rights, there doesn't seem to be anything you can do about it. If they are violationg some code/covenant then it seems you have taken the appropriate initial steps to prevent the landscaping from being installed.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 520643)

"...They will continue to be your neighbors and living comfortably in a neighborhood is really important in the long run..."/QUOTE]

Choose your battles wisely and with your future in mind.

I always think about some good advice given to me years and years ago. That advice was...if you consider this one of the worst things that can happen in your life then run with it. If it isn't one of the worst things that can happen in your life, then let it go. Best advice I've ever been given.

Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 520636)

I think you need to not only be happynow but happy later. :rant-rave:

Remember anything that's planted now will grow UP and get fuller, do you think they will keep those hedges at 4' in the future.

You really need to stop it before it begins the work, it sounds like your neighbors are a bit of a jerk not to talk it out with U, fine that's there prerogative.

It's your prerogative to file an inquiry into the review folks or whom ever to tell them what's going on. Ask them what the limitations are and get a clear understanding about getting this work must require an approval.

I see you posted at the same time, good you are on the right track.



I don't like the word "suggested" that can't be enforced?


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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 520647)

Someone mentioned that you being on a golf course the Arch Review Board would have to approve the project. This is only partly true, the ARC must approve nearly every new or additional project whether it be on a golf course or not. We just went thru a problem with the home modification by a neighbor. Sadly, the ARC has very little authority to enforce anything unless it is specifically spelled out in the deed restrictions.There is a strict rule about animals being on leashes anytime outside the home, also there are rules that limit households to only one dog and the size of that dog. I suggest you go to the Villages Governmental Offices at Laurel Manor asap.

Originally Posted by Villageshooter (Post 520805)

the dog problem is VERY easy to solve,,, Back homeI had a neighbor whose dog did his "bussiness" near my side of the yard.. near where we used to set when we were at the pool,, needless to say the odor got a bit much,,, guy was a real jerk,,, chatting one day with the meter reader he showed me a small unit that they used rather than spray to keep the dogs away... It emitted a harsh tone only the dog could hear,, I ordered one online,,, hooked it up near my pool house,, the tone didnt bother anyone but the dog,, and let me tell you this,, When he came out of the house,, he had a change of heart on where to dump a load for the day... he seemed to not be in the yard much with this tone coming from my yard... was interesting in the winter in snow when you see tracks in snow,, my side of the yard never had tracks in it,, much less anything else!,,,as far as the bushes,,, let him get them all put in,,, then take him to task!! you have tried to be a nice guy,, and work with him,, now be a grizzly bear,, not just a cub!

Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 521046)

We have no intensions to sue. Not a battle we want to engage in. As some of you have surmised, this "neighbor" had no intension of being a good neighbor from the start. When his house was being built, he pulled up in his new red vet, and spit on the ground. Then, when my husband went over to talk to him about not blocking our view, all he could say was that he paid cash for his place and wanted everything perfect with the house. He assured us he wouldnt block our view. In a future visit, he brought his dogs over and let them run loose on the property, he then had cleaning people in the house just prior to closing and he told the cleaning gal that "servants do not wear shoes in his home". Our other neighbor heard this with his own ears. Doesn't sound too friendly to me, so we knew he wasn't going to be a good neighbor. We will do our best not to get into any confrontation with him because that is not our style. We will let the right people handle it and will have to live with the outcome. If you could see the paint layout on his lawn, you too would see that it is not anything the villages would approve. Let's hope they do their job on this one.

Originally Posted by tommy steam (Post 521352)

may I ask what was the name of the unit and where did you buy it? thanks

Originally Posted by goodgrief (Post 521369)

Ditto. Would like to know as well. We had one at our old place that deterred the barking. But would love to know about this one if ever the need arises again.

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 521383)

I would recommend you call Village Customer Service 753-4508 and they
are excellent in looking into problems and helping.:bowdown:

Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 521010)

"...You lose any hope of having a good neighbor..."

Originally Posted by flipflopz (Post 521401)

...or being known as a good neighbor on your street.

My street is very social and we have birthday parties, card games, shopping trips, poker nights, dancing in garages, etc. The neighbors who tend to be negative and controversial are not included. I prefer to live amicably among my neighbors, be on good terms with them, and be included in neighborhood activities. I'm here to enjoy the life I have left and not put on my boxing gloves...especially for situations that aren't life threatening, dangerous, or destructive.

I'd fight against doctors who don't do their job or something else that is detriment to me living a longer, healthier life...not a neighbor who blocks my "view".

Originally Posted by renrod (Post 521376)

Like this
dog dazer | eBay

We live in a neighborhood with more dogs than you would believe. Bought one of these and it worked on some of the dogs but the little white yappers, it just gets them going more. Boxer next door did not like it and would go inside when I used it, I almost felt sorry for him, while the others just keep going.

Originally Posted by Patty55 (Post 521413)

You used this thing on your neighbor's dog while it was in it's own yard? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? You don't see anything wrong in that? IMO, this is sick.