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Seems like many posters think the covid shot should have been tested for many years to make sure it is safe.

Of course the hundreds of thousand of people that would have died waiting for the testing to be completed might not agree.
No, but this, otoh, is disconcerting...

FDA to authorize new Covid boosters without trials in people
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Yeah, no...

I could have been the ventilators that were killing people...

Why some doctors are moving away from ventilators for virus patients
Possibly, but they were only killing the Covid patients. The ventilators didn't change, there was no mention a change in demographics of those being put on ventilators, only the disease changed.

What seems more likely is that at the time the article was written, one month into the pandemic, they were just beginning to learn how deadly the virus was. Rather than a 50% survival rate for someone sick enough to be put on a ventilator, with this virus there was only a 20% survival rate.
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No, but this, otoh, is disconcerting...

FDA to authorize new Covid boosters without trials in people
Did you realize that article is a year old and applies to last year's booster? I have heard, though I haven't seen the article myself, that at least Moderna DID test this year's formulation in humans. (did not read the article, do not know the details)
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Both Walgreens and Publix are out of the vaccine!
There are no schedule dates available for Sumter county.
Anybody else running into same issue (on line).

I guess we will try walk in and see what we get (or not).
We are never getting either one of them especially the Covid shots.
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Possibly, but they were only killing the Covid patients. The ventilators didn't change, there was no mention a change in demographics of those being put on ventilators, only the disease changed.

What seems more likely is that at the time the article was written, one month into the pandemic, they were just beginning to learn how deadly the virus was. Rather than a 50% survival rate for someone sick enough to be put on a ventilator, with this virus there was only a 20% survival rate.
No, they stopped using them as a first line defense when they found out that many were causing more harm than good...

Hence, the massive stockpile of unused ventilators sitting in warehouses, or bering sold off for pennies on the dollar...
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Did you realize that article is a year old and applies to last year's booster? I have heard, though I haven't seen the article myself, that at least Moderna DID test this year's formulation in humans. (did not read the article, do not know the details)
You have "heard"?, and you don't know the "details"? Well, that's good enough for me, I guess...

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But in the end that doesn't matter, right? The only thing that changed waa the formulation and that shouldn't need to be tested any more for Covid than it does for flu.
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No, they stopped using them as a first line defense when they found out that many were causing more harm than good...

Hence, the massive stockpile of unused ventilators sitting in warehouses, or bering sold off for pennies on the dollar...
They may have stopped using them but not before at least a year later. In February, 2021 there was still a shortage.

The stockpile that exists today is as much due to the vaccine lessening the number of patients and the severity of the symptoms as anything else. There is no talk of ventilators being avoided, just that they are no longer needed in the same large numbers.
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But in the end that doesn't matter, right? The only thing that changed waa the formulation and that shouldn't need to be tested any more for Covid than it does for flu.
Well, since we're still waiting for proper testing of the older covid vaccines, just changing the "formulation" may still be problematic...
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They may have stopped using them but not before at least a year later. In February, 2021 there was still a shortage.

The stockpile that exists today is as much due to the vaccine lessening the number of patients and the severity of the symptoms as anything else. There is no talk of ventilators being avoided, just that they are no longer needed in the same large numbers.
I already explained why they decreased the use of ventilators...

"Forcing oxygen-enriched air (in some cases, 100% oxygen) into elastic tissue at high pressure and in large volumes can cause leaks, pulmonary edema (swelling), and inflammation, among other damage, contributing to “ventilator-induced injury and increased mortality” in Covid-19, the researchers wrote."

Analysis urges less reliance on ventilators for coronavirus patients - STAT.

And this was known, very early on...

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They may have stopped using them but not before at least a year later. In February, 2021 there was still a shortage.

The stockpile that exists today is as much due to the vaccine lessening the number of patients and the severity of the symptoms as anything else. There is no talk of ventilators being avoided, just that they are no longer needed in the same large numbers.
August 2020, per the WaPo...

"The U.S. forced major manufacturers to build ventilators. Now they’re piling up unused in a strategic reserve."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...rus-stockpile/

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August 2020, per the WaPo...

"The U.S. forced major manufacturers to build ventilators. Now they’re piling up unused in a strategic reserve."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...rus-stockpile/

You see, I don't simply make up statements... I back up my claims...
Ouch! That one poor little feeling I had left… whatever will I do?

I’m limited in my technology at the moment. Links are forthcoming.
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Ouch! That one poor little feeling I had left… whatever will I do?

I’m limited in my technology at the moment. Links are forthcoming.
Here's a link: The US Strategic National Stockpile Ventilators in Coronavirus Disease 2019 - PMC

The layman's takeaway: the government, in early 2020 (previous administration) ordered 200,000 ventilators. Unfortunately, the people ordering them, didn't clearly understand that different types of machines are made to handle different types of illness, and they just said "hey make whatever, and lots."

But around half of them were useless with COVID. And so - there's a stockpile of unused, unneeded ventilators now - even though there was a shortage of ventilators that could actually help with the first wave of the COVID crisis.
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