[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Art cov

I have not had shots in forty years, and I’m thankful to not be on any meds. A few times getting numb at the dentist and a minor operation. If a person must have the shots or meds that’s fine but I will make necessary changes to avoid them. I would take whatever if I had to do so. Just my 2 cents

No shots in 40 years? I'm thankful that you are alive!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Pat2015

No one taking the vaccine protected anyone, not even themselves. Vaccinated people can get and spread Covid, so please stop with the self righteous nonsense.

Agree to disagree!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Who is they?

Worldwide, Medical experts KNOW that the vaccine worked. So, to argue against that, a person would have to say that ,"You CAN fool ALL of the people ALL of the time."

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Altavia

That's like saying Auchwitz never happened...

Ever talked to a COVID nurse who worked a hospital in major city?

COVID-19 Lung Damage | Johns Hopkins Medicine.

Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS)

If COVID-19 pneumonia progresses, more of the air sacs can become filled with fluid leaking from the tiny blood vessels in the lungs. Eventually, shortness of breath sets in, and can lead to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), a form of lung failure.

Good post. Informative!

[charmed59]

As of Wednesday the 20th they had both the Covid 2023 booster and the flu shot for those 65+ at the Publix on 466.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Isn't it great that thanks to vaccines COVID no worse than any other respiratory infection in healthy people?

There are people who seem to be genetically resistant to the virus.

Are some people immune to COVID-19? | AAMC

Or, regardless of the vaccine, covid is no worse than any other respiratory infection...

Remember, between 20 and 70 thousand people die every year from the garden variety flu and another 50 thousand die from pneumonia...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Altavia

That's like saying Auchwitz never happened...

Ever talked to a COVID nurse who worked a hospital in major city?

COVID-19 Lung Damage | Johns Hopkins Medicine.

Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS)

If COVID-19 pneumonia progresses, more of the air sacs can become filled with fluid leaking from the tiny blood vessels in the lungs. Eventually, shortness of breath sets in, and can lead to acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS), a form of lung failure.

Nice try. It does not lead to ARDS. It may be similar, but it is also quite different. Read this:

COVID-19 Autopsies Uncover Ways The Coronavirus Kills | WBUR News

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Had the same gut reaction. But 2 milion in 1.2 billion is 0.0016% so?

That would be like just under 700K dying in the US in the same 2 months...

Again, dubious...

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Nice try. It does not lead to ARDS. It may be similar, but it is also quite different. Read this:

COVID-19 Autopsies Uncover Ways The Coronavirus Kills | WBUR News

I almost referenced that one but didn't recognize the source.

"When patients become severely ill with COVID-19, the coronavirus infiltrates deep into the lungs and causes mayhem on the tissues that line the organ. The infection can cause swelling, and fluid and debris can start to fill the lungs. It can feel like drowning on dry land.

Patients who remember being intubated sometimes describe the experience of being on a ventilator as one of the most uncomfortable of their lives. The damage from the virus can also spread to other organs, and if the infection is severe enough, the patient can die.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Worldwide, Medical experts KNOW that the vaccine worked. So, to argue against that, a person would have to say that ,"You CAN fool ALL of the people ALL of the time."

Except the ones who disagree...

You know, like that debunked "97% of climate scientists agree" nonsense you keep posting?

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Or, regardless of the vaccine, covid is no worse than any other respiratory infection...

Remember, between 20 and 70 thousand people die every year from the garden variety flu and another 50 thousand die from pneumonia...

But then, why were those hospitals in New York, for example, so overwhelmed they had to use navy ships to treat the sick, and in California they erected tents to treat Covid patients because even the hallways were full? And the the morgues so absolutely at capacity they did not know where to stack the dead? And the scene was repeated in many countries.

[GoRedSox!]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Or, regardless of the vaccine, covid is no worse than any other respiratory infection...

Remember, between 20 and 70 thousand people die every year from the garden variety flu and another 50 thousand die from pneumonia...

Except COVID killed more than 20 to 70 thousand. It has killed over 1 million Americans. And it is not simply over reporting of deaths attributable to other things. The overall death rate went way up and it impacted average life expectancy statistics of the entire country.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Altavia

I almost referenced that one but didn't recognize the source.

"When patients become severely ill with COVID-19, the coronavirus infiltrates deep into the lungs and causes mayhem on the tissues that line the organ. The infection can cause swelling, and fluid and debris can start to fill the lungs. It can feel like drowning on dry land.

Patients who remember being intubated sometimes describe the experience of being on a ventilator as one of the most uncomfortable of their lives. The damage from the virus can also spread to other organs, and if the infection is severe enough, the patient can die.

An excellent INFORMATIVE post.

[Byte1]

The OP's subject was pertaining to the availability of the vaccinations. Whether or not the shots work is not what the OP was asking.
That said, everyone is different regarding these Covid and Flu shots. I will not discourage or encourage anyone regarding the shots. Most of my younger family, under 50 have had Covid at least once, before and after the shots were available. None of them have had the shots and none of them were hospitalized or died. Of the family members that have had the Covid shots, all of them have since had the virus at least once; most of them at least twice. Personally, I have received only the first two shots, ONLY because I thought they might help prevent me from infecting my wife if I caught it doing all the shopping, etc. IMO I was probably wrong in that assumption. I have not had a flu shot in over 50 years and have never had the Flu. My choice and it has been working for me so far. My wife and I have had Covid once and those in our family that have gone on to have the boosters have had Covid at least twice. Just saying, not suggesting anything. Personally, I have no intention of getting any of the boosters. What others do is their choice. My doctor asked me if I wanted a flu shot(as he always does) and I declined. He did not try to persuade me. I asked him if he had his shot and he said that it was required by his employer (VA). He NEVER/NEVER suggested that I get the Covid shots. I wonder why. I am curious as to how many VERY healthy people, such as young and healthy athletes have suddenly died due to stroke or heath attacks and then we hear that they had been vaccinated for the Covid. Just saying. I also know of a gentleman and his wife in the Villages that had a bad case of Covid before the vaccinations were available, and they are still doing very well. Not sure if I subscribe to the "sky is falling" group. Like I said before, I have no wish to dissuade or encourage anyone to get the vaccinations.
I hope the OP finds what they are searching for.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Velvet

But then, why where those hospitals in New York, for example, so overwhelmed they had to use navy ships to treat the sick, and in California they erected tents to treat Covid patients because even the hallways were full? And the the morgues so absolutely at capacity they did not know where to stack the dead? And the scene was repeated in many countries.

You mean the navy ship (not ships) that sat empty?

Access Denied

Or the Javitz Center Hospital that was barely used?

Temporary COVID-19 Field Hospital at Javits Center Closing


How about all of the ventilators that were delivered in record time and never used (once they found out they were doing more harm than good)?

New York spent $250M on tech to fight Covid that no one uses - POLITICO

NYC sells $200M of COVID supplies for only $500K