[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by dougjb

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

No, if you get the flu, you most certainly can expose others...

And yes, I get the flu shot. But that's because I spend my days in a hospital setting, full of sick people...

Same reason I decided to get the Covid shot AFTER I already had gotten and recovered from Covid... But both were MY decision...

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Someone with Zero shots and zero tests could be blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary"!

And someone WITH three shots could be "blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary" Some folks are forgetting that NOW folks that have their shots are being infected and are also contagious.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by dougjb

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

Trouble is….people who have gotten the vaccination are still getting the Chinese virus and spreading it. Just like the unvaccinated. And I’ll say this again, even though I was attacked for stating my own personal experience in another thread. My wife and I both got the rona. We are both vaccinated. Our daughter got the Rona about the same time. She is unvaccinated. All three of our symptoms were the same, like a mild flu. I have spoken to others that are unvaccinated and they have told me the same thing, it was like a mild flu. Do NOT misunderstand. I know people who have died from it. I am NOT saying it isn’t serious. Just like the flu. But my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE tells me that the vaccine doesn’t lessen the symptoms.

[thelegges]

CDC announced that 64 and under should wait more weeks between dose. Little late for millions already on 2 and 3rd dose. Of course big pharmaceutical made billions on vaccine, guessing they will be giving bonus to employees

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Then your memory is faulty. The POTUS told us exactly that. Faucci told us exactly that. Maddow told us exactly that...

I believe her words were, "If you get the vaccine, the virus stops. You cannot catch it and you cannot spread it..."

I never heard Fauci say that. I can not speak to POTUS about it. I never watched Madow but she was absolutely WRONG to say that if she did.

What do you think those vaccine efficacy percentages were about? We were NEVER EVER told that the mRNA vaccines would prevent Covid 100% of the time. The Moderna vaccine has a bit better efficacy than Pfizer but they were both in the 90s efficacy. That means that there most certainly is a chance that people will contract Covid.

We were told that if an individual was fully vaccinated, they would not be hospitalized and would not die of Covid. THAT certainly did not pan out though for people who are immunocompromised. Unfortunately, individuals who are immunocompromised do not have a strong immune response and some have such a poor response, they have no protection from the virus.

These Covid vaccines that we have are not sterilizing immunity vaccines. That means the vaccines do not sterilize the virus and the virus can still replicate. I don't know where you got your information from but I certainly recall different information than you do.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Is the Flu Shot mandated?

Of course not. Not for the general population.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

She certainly should have said she didn't recall hearing that from a reliable source. I have heard many, many things claimed about the vaccines that are not true; I have heard the claims made, but not from a reliable source. Reliable sources, to my recollection, have been consistent that the vaccines provide very good protection against serious illness but are not a guarantee against becoming infected.

POTUS - *should* be reliable but "messaging" and "optics" get in the way
Maddow - laughable (as are Carlson, Hannity, Reid, and most of the others)
Fauci - interesting FactCheck.org article from January 2021 quotes him as saying:

“You could be prevented from getting clinical disease, and still have the virus that is in your nasopharynx because you could get infected,” he said. “We’re not sure, at this point, that the vaccine protects you against getting infected.”

Fauci talks a lot and therefore gets misinterpreted a lot. It is quite possible that in another interview something else was said. Plus, I believe he admitted to a "noble lie" which certainly doesn't help his credibility.

I only get my information from reliable sources. Conspiracy theory sites and sources have never been a news source for me.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Yes for the military, some healthcare workers, and some universities. There could be more but that is as far as I looked.

Interesting. In my professional career, I was offered the flu shot but was always able to decline it. My very first flu shot in my life was when Covid came on the scene. I think I had the flu once back in the early 70s but was not going to chance it when Covid was killing masses of people.

[camaguey48]

CDC-Center for Dictatorial Coercion.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by dougjb

If the medical profession informs us that a fourth or fifth dose is necessary, I don't see why people suddenly become the "experts" and reject sound medical advice. Do you take an annual flu shot? If you don't, is that a choice? That choice might mean you expose YOURSELF to getting ill, not others. Not getting a Covid booster is not for you alone; it is for the others that you might just infect due to your "choice". Personally, I have never heard of a "choice" where your decision allows you to put others in harm's way. Moreover, by not getting boosters when the medical profession recommends it allows the virus to mutate once again, perhaps into something even nastier than what we have already experienced.

So...

Get the shot and quit your whining!

No whining from me. I'm waiting for the recommendation for the second booster or maybe even a third full dose. I will roll up my sleeve ASAP when I am eligible.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by thelegges

Most who are doing the whining are those who think they know best for someone else.

For some get the shot and have severe reaction..No thanks..

Just wondering..........besides a high fever (104) and all the rotton side effects of a fever, what do you consider a "severe" reaction?

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

And someone WITH three shots could be "blissfully wandering around society and be asymptomatic. Thus acting like a "typhoid Mary" Some folks are forgetting that NOW folks that have their shots are being infected and are also contagious.

Vaccinated people are LESS LIKELY to become infected. Un-vaccinated individuals are MORE LIKELY to become infected.

Read about it here.......
You're Far Less Likely to Spread the Coronavirus If You're Vaccinated

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Of course not.

I think that was his point.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by camaguey48

CDC-Center for Dictatorial Coercion.

You want see coercion, in some African countries Covid vaccine is mandated at gun point (WSJ).

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

I never heard Fauci say that. I can not speak to POTUS about it. I never watched Madow but she was absolutely WRONG to say that if she did.

What do you think those vaccine efficacy percentages were about? We were NEVER EVER told that the mRNA vaccines would prevent Covid 100% of the time. The Moderna vaccine has a bit better efficacy than Pfizer but they were both in the 90s efficacy. That means that there most certainly is a chance that people will contract Covid.

We were told, initially, that if got vaccinated you had a 90-95% chance of NOT GETTING Covid... And yes, I understand that there is always a chance, just like with the annual flu shot...

We were told that if an individual was fully vaccinated, they would not be hospitalized and would not die of Covid. THAT certainly did not pan out though for people who are immunocompromised. Unfortunately, individuals who are immunocompromised do not have a strong immune response and some have such a poor response, they have no protection from the virus.

That came much later. Well after they found out the vaccine wasn't nearly as effective as initially advertised...

These Covid vaccines that we have are not sterilizing immunity vaccines. That means the vaccines do not sterilize the virus and the virus can still replicate. I don't know where you got your information from but I certainly recall different information than you do.

Irrelevant to the conversation...

And just to jog your memory, here's Fauci saying exactly what I said he did...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CG8aI4XCGw