[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

I know of two instances that proves you wrong on that.

Even with the varients, the unvaccinated are five times more likely to die from COVID infection. And then ten times likely than those fully boosted.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Even with the varients, the unvaccinated are five times more likely to die from COVID infection. And then ten times likely than those fully boosted.

I’m sure you have a study proving that? (I can’t find one).

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Sorry for your loss of 2 people you know or are related to, but 2 instances out of 2 billion vaccines administered "proves" less than nothing.

So then from what you’re saying, you have some “proof” that the vaccines have saved any lives?

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by MartinSE

6 million dead, nothing to worry about at all... the misinformation here is stunning.

Misinformation? Or personal experience and observation followed by a theory?

As Mark Twain so astutely observed, there are three kinds of untruths: "Lies, dammned lies and statistics". There is no point in unearthing all those horses beaten to death months and months ago: dying OF COVID vs. dying WITH COVID, methods of data collection that were questionable, efficacy of masks, etc. etc. But human nature is--well--human nature. We will believe the numbers that most closely jive with how WE perceive something, all too often neglecting accuracy of numbers in favor of personal validation. Some take the high estimates as gospel. Others, not so much.

The problem (and Twain's observation) comes into play when this-or-that agency has a vested interest in the believability, or not, of the numbers in question. Elected officials and experts are no more or less human than the rest of us, and there were a lot of butts on the line as this whole COVID thing played out. If you have the power to do so, the natural thing is to try to protect your own butt, and the more powerful you are, the bigger the butt you might decide to protect.

For my part, my antenna goes up whenever a situation devolves into "don't believe what you see, believe what we tell you". People tend to gravitate toward like-minded people. In the time since the pandemic first hit, my wife and I have known many people with COVID; every family member except one, many friends and acquaintances, and of course each other. There's no way of knowing the exact number but I'd say in the neighborhood of 75 to 100, if not more. Out of that number we've known precisely ONE person who has died from it (morbidly obese, hospitalized with a positive COVID diagnosis who died in hospital from a heart attack) and ONE other hospitalization (a woman in her 60s who was hospitalized at the time she caught it because of an infection in a replaced knee joint) and who recovered from both. For the most part, the people we know and associate with have life styles similar to ours, and almost to a person, COVID was merely an inconvenience, not a perceived death sentence.

Live right. Think positive. Don't give in to fear.

You'll be fine.

[Wyseguy]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Even with the varients, the unvaccinated are five times more likely to die from COVID infection. And then ten times likely than those fully boosted.

Hi. Would you please provide a link to that study. I am interested in reading it.

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Even with the varients, the unvaccinated are five times more likely to die from COVID infection. And then ten times likely than those fully boosted.

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Hi. Would you please provide a link to that study. I am interested in reading it.

Was that a study or real-world observations on a national and international scale?

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

...
For my part, my antenna goes up whenever a situation devolves into "don't believe what you see, believe what we tell you". People tend to gravitate toward like-minded people. In the time since the pandemic first hit, my wife and I have known many people with COVID; every family member except one, many friends and acquaintances, and of course each other. There's no way of knowing the exact number but I'd say in the neighborhood of 75 to 100, if not more. Out of that number we've known precisely ONE person who has died from it (morbidly obese, hospitalized with a positive COVID diagnosis who died in hospital from a heart attack) and ONE other hospitalization (a woman in her 60s who was hospitalized at the time she caught it because of an infection in a replaced knee joint) and who recovered from both. For the most part, the people we know and associate with have life styles similar to ours, and almost to a person, COVID was merely an inconvenience, not a perceived death sentence.

Live right. Think positive. Don't give in to fear.

You'll be fine.

The family members of the over 1,000,000 Americans that have died WISH they could make the same statement. The excess death numbers (actual count of dead bodies) back up that 1,000,000 number.

Don't give into fear, but also don't "bravely" follow a fool who overestimates his knowledge of epidemiology, virology, and statistics.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Taurus510

So then from what you’re saying, you have some “proof” that the vaccines have saved any lives?

that question is fuzzy logic.

My statement was 2 deaths out of 2 billion proves less than nothing, not the converse

[Altavia]

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[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Wyseguy

Hi. Would you please provide a link to that study. I am interested in reading it.

The data is all over the place. Need to search for the evolution and come to your own conclusions.

Almost All U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Now in the Unvaccinated

Growing share of Covid-19 deaths are among vaccinated people, but booster shots substantially lower the risk - CNN

How likely is COVID-19 hospitalization for vaccinated Americans?

Who is dying of COVID amid omicron surge and widespread vaccine availability? - ABC News

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ated-boosters/

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

Originally Posted by Fast Freddy

As the Mayo Clinic Covid map for Florida indicates The Villages area is in or very near the hot spot of Orlando.
I became ill with tons of post nasal drip recently, difficult nights, saw an M. D., penicillin RX for Sinunitis. I wasn't acutely aware of the new B Varient that hit England.
First Warning: My future golf scramble was just cancelled due to so many Villagers cancelling out due to Covid symptoms.
Not reading current local news about this issue.
I decided to home test, Bingo, both my husband and myself tested Positive for Covid.
Now I'm finding the so called "Free" Covid testing program is not free at the drug stores, they want your insurance card, if not the cost is $129. Everyone has indicated just pop over and get tested, not so when you actually research it.
Hope this message helps someone.

medicare gives 3 free tests kits per family. you don't need to have medicare its about per street address. no personal info is required just your address and boom 2 weeks an I got 3 kits w 8 tests per kit. 15 minutes and results.

[MartinSE]

Originally Posted by Rose Ann Vinci Igoe

medicare gives 3 free tests kits per family. you don't need to have medicare its about per street address. no personal info is required just your address and boom 2 weeks an I got 3 kits w 8 tests per kit. 15 minutes and results.

Good information, thank you.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Was that a study or real-world observations on a national and international scale?

Good question. Either way, I’d love to see the data. Please provide.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by Altavia

The data is all over the place. Need to search for the evolution and come to your own conclusions.

Almost All U.S. COVID-19 Deaths Now in the Unvaccinated

Growing share of Covid-19 deaths are among vaccinated people, but booster shots substantially lower the risk - CNN

How likely is COVID-19 hospitalization for vaccinated Americans?

Who is dying of COVID amid omicron surge and widespread vaccine availability? - ABC News

https://www.washingtonpost.com/healt...ated-boosters/

You provided specific figures as to who is dying and why. These are all just generalities with lots of assumptions and speculation. If one spouts specific numbers, then that must mean they have seen specific data.

[Taurus510]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

that question is fuzzy logic.

My statement was 2 deaths out of 2 billion proves less than nothing, not the converse

So then what you’re saying is that you know of no data that states that any lives were saved by getting the jab.