[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Those organizations don't exactly have stellar reputations as far as being straight shooters is concerned. I don't follow any advice from any of them until I've done further research.

And, speaking of further research, I've been reading about spike proteins. These are the little critters the vaccines make that trick your cells into making antibodies. There is considerable literature out there making me very leery about getting the booster. Apparently these proteins have the ability to cross the blood/brain barrier. They also can effect your DNA, immune system and the genetic material that slows the aging process. All of this has potential for adverse effects.

I really want the vaccine to be safe but I'm beginning to wonder. Almost wish I would come down with COVID so my body would create natural antibodies. Far out there, I know but I'm healthy and really not afraid of this disease.

Just want to state up front that I'm pro-vaccine so I have a bias.

Do these articles that you are finding give a fair representation of the vaccine? Do they acknowledge its role in saving thousands from getting sick and dying or do they push that aside and give you twelve reasons to not be vaccinated? If they only present one side of the argument, especially if they ignore the benefit and only focus on what they want to present as the negative, then I would think hard before trusting them.

It would be great if there was a way to pre-screen for bad outcomes from Covid. If you could enter your temperature, weight, and blood pressure and have confidence that you would have nothing more than sniffles it would make the pandemic easier to beat. But some of the 900+ people who are dying every day were sure that they were safe from the virus too - they were wrong.

The articles all want you to avoid the vaccine and they give a dozens reasons why you should do so. They all seem to predict some dire outcome if you take the vaccine but don't mention what will happen if you don't. About half the US population has been vaccinated by now, some for eight months. How many doses must be administered and how much time must pass before these deadly outcomes that the article predict come true? More than 900 people each day are dying from the virus, how many are dying from the vaccine?

Several posts have said, "just wait, you'll see." Maybe so, maybe not, but the several thousand that die each week won't be around to find out if the anti-vax articles were right.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Those organizations don't exactly have stellar reputations as far as being straight shooters is concerned. I don't follow any advice from any of them until I've done further research.

And, speaking of further research, I've been reading about spike proteins. These are the little critters the vaccines make that trick your cells into making antibodies. There is considerable literature out there making me very leery about getting the booster. Apparently these proteins have the ability to cross the blood/brain barrier. They also can effect your DNA, immune system and the genetic material that slows the aging process. All of this has potential for adverse effects.

I really want the vaccine to be safe but I'm beginning to wonder. Almost wish I would come down with COVID so my body would create natural antibodies. Far out there, I know but I'm healthy and really not afraid of this disease.

This type of argument always amazes me. One is afraid of proteins having the ability to cross barriers… so what? I’m not sure what that implies… but not afraid of the virus which is known to cause death. What can be more scary than dying a painful, prolonged, lonely death? Or living with very reduced quality of life after long haul Covid?
I guess each of us chooses what they are afraid of.

[Lindsyburnsy]

Originally Posted by drducat

This is never going to end and if they keep up with boosters, Covid will get harder and harder to control.....this needs to stop!

Covid booster shots: U.S. to begin wide distribution of third vaccine doses next month

For God’s sake, get the booster. It’s like getting a yearly flu shot. What’s the big deal??? Is this some idiotic political thing?? Yet the monoclonal antibodies treatment is okay? Egads. ������

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Byte1

For crying out loud, run and get your booster shot. Fight to be first in line, because surely your two shots have expired and becoming infected is imminent. Now everyone knows that you are going to get the booster and some right along with their yearly flu shot. Fantastic!
My opinion, which is about as relevant as anyone else's is: I have no intention of spending hours on the computer every morning, fighting for a position/appointment in some far location for this booster shot. I did it for my spouse and was glad to do it for her. The bonus was that I was able to get mine at the same time. Would I have secured a spot for my own shot if not for her? Probably not. All my children but one and all my grandchildren except the very youngest have had Covid and the worst case was equal to a mild cold. Two of my family have had Covid twice, and the only hindrance was having to quarantine, not being able to go to work until they received a negative test result.
I have never had the flu and do not get the flu shot. From what I understand (and I may be wrong) is that the flu shot you get this year is NOT for the current version of the FLU but based upon the previous years of FLU. I'm in pretty good shape and take NO prescription medications.
Will I get the booster? I don't know. If they offer it to me when/IF my spouse gets a booster, then maybe. Am I concerned about the chance of infection? I went over a year without becoming infected so far. I haven't been infected by the FLU either so I must be doing something right or one of the luckiest 70's yo in the country.
Do I believe in vaccinations? Sure, I think everyone else should get them. Do I believe that folks should be bullied into getting them? NO, I do not. Do I think that those that decline are stupid? No, it is their right and it is their personal choice. Do I care whether or not folks believe their health insurance goes up due to someone else's personal choices? No, I do not care. Do I worry about what an infection might do to me? No, because I have the greatest confidence that IF/IF I ever get infected, it will not kill me. Everyone will die eventually and I believe that whether or not I get the vaccination, I will likely live into my 90's.
My spouse beat death out several times. If she wants the booster, I will gladly assist her. If she declines, I will respect her choice and will not think less of her. Just like I will not think less of anyone on here or my neighbors that decline vaccination.
Some of you are really-really terrible at convincing those that are undecided to get vaccinated. If you want to convince, it is my opinion that proving or providing proof that the vaccine is safe would be the best way to influence folks. I believe the vaccines are safe and think that folks that have medical issues SHOULD be vaccinated. But, I do not know you so IF you die I won't miss you. I am sure there are some that will, though.

1) I have no intention of spending hours on the computer every morning, fighting for a position/appointment in some far location for this booster shot.

For what it is worth, the powers that be are telling us there will be plenty of vaccine availability for the boosters for everyone.

2) From what I understand (and I may be wrong) is that the flu shot you get this year is NOT for the current version of the FLU but based upon the previous years of FLU.

Not quite. The CDC and WHO go to predominantly SE Asia and China in Dec-Feb and sample people for the strains of influenza that are predominating----which is usually the ones that will hit the US starting in the fall. They give those strains to the vaccine manufacturers (of which the last US company was Wyeth in 1997 because our lawyers put them all out of business so now we rely 100% on foreign sources for flu shots), and the vaccine is produced over the summer for distribution in the fall/winter. It's not a perfect process but reasonable.

3) Do I think that those that decline are stupid? No, it is their right and it is their personal choice.

Yes, but the two are not mutually exclusive

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Those organizations don't exactly have stellar reputations as far as being straight shooters is concerned. I don't follow any advice from any of them until I've done further research.

And, speaking of further research, I've been reading about spike proteins. These are the little critters the vaccines make that trick your cells into making antibodies. There is considerable literature out there making me very leery about getting the booster. Apparently these proteins have the ability to cross the blood/brain barrier. They also can effect your DNA, immune system and the genetic material that slows the aging process. All of this has potential for adverse effects.

I really want the vaccine to be safe but I'm beginning to wonder. Almost wish I would come down with COVID so my body would create natural antibodies. Far out there, I know but I'm healthy and really not afraid of this disease.

Hmmmmm.....

1) Hundreds of physicians in the 3 largest health organizations in the world specializing in infectious diseases, immunology, epidemiology, and virology. Hundreds of PhD. scientists on one side of the scale. And on the other side, you doing "your own" research. I sense the scale might be tipped a bit against you.

2) Yes, the last part was "far out there". I'm glad you are healthy and would like you to stay that way. But realize "this disease" has killed 25 year olds in less than a week. You don't have to fear it, but please respect it and do what is required to stay healthy.

[Rose Ann Vinci Igoe]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

It will be hard to decide...

good post and factual...

[unialimon]

This is an experiment on humans (unheard of).
Why are 50% of healthcare workers not getting it?

Why are physicians being coached o how to fill out death certificates by the Dept of health?
Why is the inventor of the mrna history being erased online?
Why are victims of the vaccine being silenced?

75 years ago Hermann Goring (NAZI) testified, The only thing a government needs to make people slaves is fear.
Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.
Just wait until they flip the switch.
This vaccine is only about Mass depopulation.
Good Luck Sheeple.

[Dana1963]

Originally Posted by unialimon

This is an experiment on humans (unheard of).
Why are 50% of healthcare workers not getting it?

Why are physicians being coached o how to fill out death certificates by the Dept of health?
Why is the inventor of the mrna history being erased online?
Why are victims of the vaccine being silenced?

75 years ago Hermann Goring (NAZI) testified, The only thing a government needs to make people slaves is fear.
Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.
Just wait until they flip the switch.
This vaccine is only about Mass depopulation.
Good Luck Sheeple.

I know which tv stations you've been watching. The best one for conspiracy theories is “InfoWars”

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by unialimon

This is an experiment on humans (unheard of).
Why are 50% of healthcare workers not getting it?

Why are physicians being coached o how to fill out death certificates by the Dept of health?
Why is the inventor of the mrna history being erased online?
Why are victims of the vaccine being silenced?

75 years ago Hermann Goring (NAZI) testified, The only thing a government needs to make people slaves is fear.
Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.
Just wait until they flip the switch.
This vaccine is only about Mass depopulation.
Good Luck Sheeple.

Qanon.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by unialimon

This is an experiment on humans (unheard of).
Why are 50% of healthcare workers not getting it?

Why are physicians being coached o how to fill out death certificates by the Dept of health?
Why is the inventor of the mrna history being erased online?
Why are victims of the vaccine being silenced?

75 years ago Hermann Goring (NAZI) testified, The only thing a government needs to make people slaves is fear.
Civil disobedience becomes a sacred duty when the state becomes lawless or corrupt.
Just wait until they flip the switch.
This vaccine is only about Mass depopulation.
Good Luck Sheeple.

Wow, I guess the tin foil hats just aren't what they used to be
I think a major neuroleptic is in order-----Thorazine or Prolixin come to mind
For some people it's a good thing that all the large mental institutions have closed their doors

[unialimon]

Originally Posted by Dana1963

I know which tv stations you've been watching. The best one for conspiracy theories is “InfoWars”

never watched “InfoWars” didn't even know it was on tv.

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Qanon.

You mean the poster was serious? I just find some of the comments as funny. Between TOTV and the comics section….

[Altavia]

Getting harder and more expensive to find heath care workers. Wonder why?

[drducat]

[Velvet]

Like in Star Wars; “It’s a good day … to die!”