[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by pattytracey

Not a problem 99 percent recovery rate no worries

That is true. However, most of the people who have died from it are the age of people living in The Villages. If a person who is eighty years old contracts the disease, everyone should be very worried. It is not wrong to see the risk and do things to protect yourself and those you love. Many people will not decide to get the vaccine. That is their choice.

I will be first in line for many, many, many, many, many reasons.

I chose this because the information is easy to understand.

COVID-19 Deaths by Age | The Heritage Foundation

[davem4616]

this couple takes selfishness to another level entirely

wow

for this very reason I will not fly until long after 70+% of the world has been given the vaccine

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by scottiesrgreat@gmail.com

I have traveled by plane this year and I plan to fly over Christmas. If I develop any cold or flu symptoms, I will not fly. I always wear a mask - that includes when I travel. Do I worry if I sit next to someone with COVID? No - because I am taking (and have been taking for decades) personal precautions - and (knock on wood) - I am not aware of any health issues I may be presently suffering from - I could exercise a lot more and drink more water - but, my weight is normal (because of **hard work and personal sacrifice ** on my own behalf) and I have only digested only 100% natural foods for decades - I don’t drink alcohol and have never smoked or kept myself in close proximity of anyone who is smoking. I have regular checkups and blood tests. I am far from perfect - but, I do not feel the least bit threatened by COVID. I think - I have mostly done - and I am doing (have been doing) the right things in life with respect to maintenance and care of the body I have been blessed with. You can shame others to your heart’s content for putting your health in jeopardy ..... but, look in the mirror - really, the only one that we can truly hold responsible for our health - is ourselves. I worry all the time of the poor decisions I made many, many years ago in my youth - will my past poor decisions eventually manifest into severe health complications? (If and when that happens - i only have myself to blame) .... I worry about any inherited health issues (but, if and when those manifest - I only have the genes I have inherited to blame) ..... but, I can’t blame and hold strangers accountable for whether I suffer complications from things like COVID. We tend to want to blame others for anything bad that happens to us. Sure - that may be true in some cases - but more often than not - in retrospect - if WE had done something different in our lives - the bad thing would not be a threat. Take care of the body that you have been blessed with - and keep in mind - if **YOU** can’t do what is best for your body ****— if *YOU* have not always done the 100% best thing for *YOUR* body - why do you think you have the right to demand others - total strangers - to do what is in the best interest of the health of your body?*****

Goody, Goody - a True Confessions Drama. The CDC recommendations say nothing about how much water someone should drink or youthful indiscretions. - The CDC guidelines say that ONLY unavoidable professional and business travel should take place over the Holidays. The CDC is TRYING to keep people safe and alive. 40% of their audience (Americans) ignored Science and traveled for PLEASURE only over Thanksgiving. We will SOON see an uptick!

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

"ANYONE" locally walking around INDOORS anywhere like Walmart, Publix, Home Depot, or even a church is endangering others if they are NOT following CDC guidelines for CV, one of which is the wearing of a mask. We do NOT have universal testing in the US because the DPA has YET to be enacted - we don't have enough testing materials and equipment today. Therefore, no one knows who is CV positive. Doctors say it is best to just ASSUME that every human you walk by has CV. In the near future, we will get "at home", inexpensive tests. People breaking CDC guidelines locally are, to me, just as bad as the lawbreakers going on an aircraft flight. The ONLY difference is that the Airline Industry has the power and the will to make it an arrestable LAW. Locally we are NOT afforded those RIGHTS. Why are Airlines ANY different than ANY indoor situation. And please - I know about air recirculation - the air terminals where you wait are REALLY contagious also. The difference is the POWER and the WILL !

Oh my! The sky is still falling and the end is near. More glass half empty, or in some cases completely empty by some folks view.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

Goody, Goody - a True Confessions Drama. The CDC recommendations say nothing about how much water someone should drink or youthful indiscretions. - The CDC guidelines say that ONLY unavoidable professional and business travel should take place over the Holidays. The CDC is TRYING to keep people safe and alive. 40% of their audience (Americans) ignored Science and traveled for PLEASURE only over Thanksgiving. We will SOON see an uptick!

Seems like someone said that about the Trump rally also. How did that go?

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Joe C.

I'll bet that nobody who flew with them on that plane will "die" from Covid. There is way too much "deadly hype" about Covid. We are becoming an emasculated society.

Humans have evolved with "fight or flight" awareness. Both are needed in this current Plague. It has nothing to do with "Macho" or bravery. Just accumulation of knowledge to allow for good decisions.

[graciegirl]

I see some posting here that says one thing and means another. It is so easy for most of us to see bantering for position and power of "smartness". That may appear to be feeling toward others, but it is not.

Mean people say kind things but perceptive people can see they really don' t mean them kindly.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by rmd2

When the airport personnel found out they were positive for COVID, they should have called health officials to take them or at least escorted them out of the airport. I don't know what the process should have been but they should not have been allowed to stay in the airport.

Nothing in the story states the airline or airport KNEW these two were positive. They might have been tested at Walgreen's, so don't be so quick to judge the airport.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Yes we will. Human kindness is legendary. It has not gone away. There is just an emphasis on the immediate dangers we are facing right now. Normal will return. But for me it’s going to be a lot better because we used to have colds and flus and stomach aches several times a year. Well, not this year! My home has never been cleaner.

We have always had “Judas” es and always will. It is possible the couple was ignorant rather than just being plain evil. These types of people have always been among us.

That was a good, thoughtful post. You MAY(?) be 100% right, I hope you are. I, personally, feel that we are in a Historically pivotal period (not just if or when we get a vaccine). As a small example, we have ALL gotten used to having Amazone Prime deliver to our door all manner of goods and services. We will never go back to the pre-CV period as it applies to that type of CONVENIENT home delivery. I could list BIG cultural changes that are just beginning, but I won't.

I will just remind people that the Medical Scientists are saying to EXPECT more Corona Virus types to spring up from China or other places - it is a consequence of the Global Economy, which is NOT going away.

[Velvet]

Ah, Jim, you mean progress? Well that is true, there will always be progress, not always for the better. I thought you meant human selfishness, which has always been there.

[Byte1]

The folks that travel by plane are always taking a chance of contracting some illness. However, in this case those travelers are counting on the airlines to provide them with safe passage. Yes, it is their choice as to whether or not to take the chance of being enclosed in a system that recirculates the air, but likely as not they believe that if the airlines KNOWS that someone is positive with the virus, the airlines would prohibit those infected from boarding. With the limited information available, it does seem like the airlines could be held liable to being sued. However, I would be interested in seeing what happens to those two that tested positive, IF they do not become ill and if they test negative after being arrested. Proving the "endangering" charge is not a cut and dry conviction. I can not defend this couple for seemingly endangering others on the plane, just wondering what possesses folks like this.
And I do not equate that to those that go maskless in grocery stores. There is absolutely no comparison. The only way you could compare a mask-less person to that would be if they knowingly tested positive for the virus before entering the store.
Don't you think it is time to quit vilifying those that choose not to wear their masks? It doesn't bother me to see them when I am wearing mine in the store. Is it because some are upset because others do something and they can't? Since I do not even have a minute of close proximity with anyone when shopping, I do not worry about contacting the virus from anyone, even if they are infected. This has nothing to do with flying in a closed environment such as a plane with folks that are known to be positive for the virus, whether infected or not.
Lets hope that virus panic does not result in virtual lynchings.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Velvet

Yes we will. Human kindness is legendary. It has not gone away. There is just an emphasis on the immediate dangers we are facing right now. Normal will return. But for me it’s going to be a lot better because we used to have colds and flus and stomach aches several times a year. Well, not this year! My home has never been cleaner.

We have always had “Judas” es and always will. It is possible the couple was ignorant rather than just being plain evil. These types of people have always been among us.

Human kindness IS legendary, but so is "man's inhumanity to man". MLK said that the arc of history is upward to the good. But, we know that there are bumps along that road.

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Nothing in the story states the airline or airport KNEW these two were positive. They might have been tested at Walgreen's, so don't be so quick to judge the airport.

Good point, but it makes me wonder how they were arrested after they deplaned at their destination IF the airlines did not know. The article states: "Before boarding the flight, the couple had reportedly tested positive for the illness while going through pre-travel screenings." So, the question remains; did the airlines know BEFORE they boarded or not? Seems like the purpose of pre-screening is to find out if they are a danger. The article does not mention how they were able to board after being screened.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Good point, but it makes me wonder how they were arrested after they deplaned at their destination IF the airlines did not know. The article states: "Before boarding the flight, the couple had reportedly tested positive for the illness while going through pre-travel screenings." So, the question remains; did the airlines know BEFORE they boarded or not? Seems like the purpose of pre-screening is to find out if they are a danger. The article does not mention how they were able to board after being screened.

It is confusing. It may be the way it was reported.

Most know what is right and wrong. At least most folks old enough to live in The Villages do. Our mothers told us, time and time again when we were home with them all summer and before and after school. Our mothers embarrassed us in front of the grocery store manager if we tried to take candy. Our mothers guilted us over the starving kids in Africa. Now children are placed with "well educated" people who the parents wouldn't trust their fancy new car with.

Most of us know what we should do. Especially if we are older. Unless we have sociopathic tendencies.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

Seems like someone said that about the Trump rally also. How did that go?

The Sturgis motorcycle rally was partially outside and DID cause a recorded uptick in CV for those participants. It was a SUPER SPREADER event - as was recent political events without CDC guidelines adhered to. The Dakota area and surrounding states have a 40% positivity rate and their hospitals are overwhelmed. The recent rally near the was just NOT studied like the Sturgis event so NO conclusions can be drawn. But, as of today, CV is spreading in TV Land and the invading hordes from the northern mid-west will eventually cause a spike and the 40% unnecessary Thanksgiving travel will also cause a spike here. Also, Pa., NY State, and other Northeast areas are spiking in daily cases. And, if truth be told All the Medical Scientists are saying and warning that "The Sky really is Falling" in a metaphysical way! It is JUST that 1/2 of US citizens are DENYING Science and listening to the "Gods of Happy Talk" - and this to the DETRIMENT of the health and wealth of the country. In TV Land the denying percentage is higher - around 70%, it seems?