[biker1]

From the CDC,

"In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths† occurred in the United States."

"During 2020, COVID-19 was listed as the underlying or contributing cause of 377,883 deaths (91.5 per 100,000 population)."

Provisional Mortality Data — United States, 2020 | MMWR

From the CDC,

"In 2019, a total of 2,854,838 resident deaths were registered in the United States ..."

Products - Data Briefs - Number 395 - December 2020

Originally Posted by RockyMountainMan

It's all B.S. First it was stop the hospitalizations, then it was stop the deaths, now it's stop the number of cases. As many people in Florida got head colds this month as people got covid. So what. Here are some sobering facts:
2,913,144 people in the U.S, died in 2020 (year of the pandemic) 57,641 MORE than died in 2019 (no pandemic) But wait a minute!
Supposedly 600,000 more Americans died in 2020 from covid. The numbers don't add up. If an additional 600K people died from covid the number should be well over 3,500,000...so how many people really died of covid last year. Not near the amount the media, politicians, and the Gov't told us.

The American people swallowed the bait hook, line and sinker. It's all about controlling our lives. Our central gov't is getting bigger and more powerful every day, and the elitists who are at the top are like addicts getting high on their power and just like addicts they will do anything to keep getting high! So mask up, gown up, live in complete fear and hide in your closet until the power addicted elite in Washington tell you, you can come out. (More room for them and their families in restaurants and public places and they don't have look at all the "great unwashed") Our founders would be appalled!

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

70.1% of Americans have at least one shot of the vaccination as of 28 Jul. -- CDC.
CDC demographics shows that the majority of those that do not yet have at least one shot of the vaccination are either under the age of 12 or minorities. Minorities are the largest group of hold outs due to being told not to trust the vaccination last year.
I believe that COVID originated in the U.S. and was sent to China for experimentation. Easy to blame China but we are probably just as guilty for this mess. My opinion just like every one of the other posts on here.
Time to quit blaming your neighbors and just get on with you life. I plan to regardless of what you wish to do. If you don't trust your neighbor then wear your mask. If you don't trust your vaccination then wear your mask. I don't wear a mask and no one has gotten sick around me so don't blame me. If you do you must not be wearing your mask, right?

Ignoring more of your post, the largest racial group that is not vaccinated. The largest political group that is not vaccinated is the republicans.

I guess they are still waiting for it to magically disappear in April.

So no one around you has gotten sick. Yeah, right. Okay, uh, seriously? So, you know and communicate with every single person you have come into contact with in the past year. You NEVER go into stores, you NEVER go to gas stations, you NEVER golf, you NEVER pick up your mail. And every single person you know and have come into contact with has reported back to you on regular occasions that they are still COVID-free. And they know this because every single one of them is regularly tested.

Seriously, no wonder you NEVER got the virus, you live in total 100% isolation.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by biker1

From the CDC,

"In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths† occurred in the United States."

"During 2020, COVID-19 was listed as the underlying or contributing cause of 377,883 deaths (91.5 per 100,000 population)."

Provisional Mortality Data — United States, 2020 | MMWR

Really. You do know this has to be debunked oh, maybe 10,000 times since it was first suggested?

[MDLNB]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Ignoring more of your post, the largest racial group that is not vaccinated. The largest political group that is not vaccinated is the republicans.

I guess they are still waiting for it to magically disappear in April.

So no one around you has gotten sick. Yeah, right. Okay, uh, seriously? So, you know and communicate with every single person you have come into contact with in the past year. You NEVER go into stores, you NEVER go to gas stations, you NEVER golf, you NEVER pick up your mail. And every single person you know and have come into contact with has reported back to you on regular occasions that they are still COVID-free. And they know this because every single one of them is regularly tested.

Seriously, no wonder you NEVER got the virus, you live in total 100% isolation.

Not true. That is false information.

[biker1]

What exactly are you ranting about now?

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Really. You do know this has to be debunked oh, maybe 10,000 times since it was first suggested?

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by GeriS

The FDA admits the test was developed without isolated covid samples for test calibration, effectively admitting it's testing something else. Also, the creator of the PCR test has been on several videos stating that it does not work to test covid as it has never been isolated.

The PCR test was not developed to test COVID -19. Correct, it was developed in 1985.

The quote is actually from an article written by John Lauritsen in December 1996 about HIV and AIDS, not COVID-19 (here).

So, yes, it was developed without any COVID-19 virus to test it on.

The context around the quote shows Lauritsen is not saying PCR tests do not work.

Instead, he is clarifying that PCR identifies substances qualitatively not quantitatively, detecting the genetic sequences of viruses, but not the viruses themselves: “PCR is intended to identify substances qualitatively, but by its very nature is unsuited for estimating numbers. Although there is a common misimpression that the viral load tests actually count the number of viruses in the blood, these tests cannot detect free, infectious viruses at all; they can only detect proteins that are believed, in some cases wrongly, to be unique to HIV. The tests can detect genetic sequences of viruses, but not viruses themselves.”

I won't claim to know why the test is used - that is what scientists are for, they do that stuff for a living. But, I am fairly certain I will trust them before I trust you or Tucker, or anyone not qualified to understand.

You know that most deaths attributed to heart attacks are attributed to heart attacks because of a test that looks for a protein, Troponin T, or a look at the heart image to see if there is damage. It is NOT proof of a heart attack, it is something that is normally associated with heart attacks - so, I guess we should write off all those deaths attributed to heart attacks as "cause of death is a hoax".

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

The PCR test was not developed to test COVID -19. Correct, it was developed in 1985.

The quote is actually from an article written by John Lauritsen in December 1996 about HIV and AIDS, not COVID-19 (here).

So, yes, it was developed without any COVID-19 virus to test it on.

The context around the quote shows Lauritsen is not saying PCR tests do not work.

Instead, he is clarifying that PCR identifies substances qualitatively not quantitatively, detecting the genetic sequences of viruses, but not the viruses themselves: “PCR is intended to identify substances qualitatively, but by its very nature is unsuited for estimating numbers. Although there is a common misimpression that the viral load tests actually count the number of viruses in the blood, these tests cannot detect free, infectious viruses at all; they can only detect proteins that are believed, in some cases wrongly, to be unique to HIV. The tests can detect genetic sequences of viruses, but not viruses themselves.”

I won't claim to know why the test is used - that is what scientists are for, they do that stuff for a living. But, I am fairly certain I will trust them before I trust you or Tucker, or anyone not qualified to understand.

You know that most deaths attributed to heart attacks are attributed to heart attacks because of a test that looks for a protein, Troponin T, or a look at the heart image to see if there is damage. It is NOT proof of a heart attack, it is something that is normally associated with heart attacks - so, I guess we should write off all those deaths attributed to heart attacks as "cause of death is a hoax".

Not quite, this time my friend.

First of all, it is troponin I, a structural protein of the muscle cells of the heart that get released into the bloodstream when someone has a myocardial infarction. It IS PROOF of a "heart attack", by definition. Now, the problem is that it is far more sensitive than an echocardiogram or a nuclear medicine scan at determining "damage", which pushes the definition of a "heart attack" to include minimal or even no functional damage.
In some ways this is similar to a COVID test that is sensitive enough to pick up left over viral fragments in a completely cured(or immunized) person who cannot transmit the virus any more (possibly like John Rahm)
So, here we go again---what is a "case" of COVID, and what is a "case" of a heart attack. As always the borderline is fuzzy.

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

Since all (vaccinated or not) are now seen as major spreaders of the contagious Delta variant, the only differentiator is who gets sick. Why are you (no one specific; just the reader in general) all worried about those not willing to get vaccinated (me and millions of others)? It's not like the unvaccinated are a special risk to anyone. Your fellow vaccinated citizen is just as likely to be infected and contagious as all the talking heads are saying right now.

All you vaccinated folk can infect each other without any help from me or others. You can also catch and spread the virus to all the "vulnerable" population (elderly, sick, immune compromised, etc) all by yourselves.

So, why the passports? Lockdowns? Masks? F*cking the economy up? Now, it's even move obvious that it's all about control. The only people at risk are those CHOOSING not to get vaccinated. Let me take my risk. Don't worry about me. Go about your lives.

It would now seem, given the current parameters, that we should just put COVID-19 on ignore. According to the experts, there is no reason to ask anyone "are you vaccinated?" as your behavior should be the same no matter what the answer. The unwashed masses are not more likely to be infected / contagious / dangerous than all those who chose the path of putting an experimental cocktail in their arm (twice).

It boils down to this fact: The various rules then are simply to coerce vaccination.

It does seem like it's almost getting to that point...if we ALL are spreading, why single out and chastise the nonvaxers. In time it will be obvious who was or wasn't vaxed.
But with being so adamant and putting your foot down about doing something that could possibly keep you out of the hospital, could possibly prevent you from going onto a ventilator....are you willing to put your money where your mouth is...so to speak? It's fine and dandy there is so much conviction, but when you come out, if you do, will you pay. Better said, if they said no vac-no coverage, would you get the shot?

* when I say "you" I mean all nonvaxers with this belief.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by MDLNB

Not true. That is false information.

I agree MDLNB. I so agree. I am tired of hearing this. I am tired of not being allowed to talk about a large group of folks who will not get vaccinated.

We are no longer able to discuss facts for fear of saying something that offends a group that is being carefully protected.

Here is an example of folks who are flagrantly ignoring the rules. I don't think they are older, traditional, conservative.;
L.A. threatens to shut off utilities at homes that host big parties during pandemic

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

It does seem like it's almost getting to that point...if we ALL are spreading, why single out and chastise the nonvaxers. In time it will be obvious who was or wasn't vaxed.
But with being so adamant and putting your foot down about doing something that could possibly keep you out of the hospital, could possibly prevent you from going onto a ventilator....are you willing to put your money where your mouth is...so to speak? It's fine and dandy there is so much conviction, but when you come out, if you do, will you pay. Better said, if they said no vac-no coverage, would you get the shot?

* when I say "you" I mean all nonvaxers with this belief.

Oh, no, I almost agree with you. This is really scary.
But I'm still not giving up my rolling laughing little men.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I agree MDLNB. I so agree. I am tired of hearing this. I am tired of not being allowed to talk about a large group of folks who will not get vaccinated.

We are no longer able to discuss facts for fear of saying something that offends a group that is being carefully protected.

Like it was said in the past----"Elections have consequences"

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

What next?

A bunch of people die, everyone else either gets the virus or doesn't. It mutates some more, a bunch of people get sick with a variety of symptoms, some worse than others. Maybe a few people get stuck on ventilators for the rest of their lives, a couple have to get a lung removed.

Meanwhile, everyone else just carries on and lives their lives. Except without their daughter, who's dead from the virus. And without money since it's all sunk into 24/7 nursing care to keep their 40-year-old dad alive. And without their son, who came down with really bad symptoms but didn't take any precautions, and spread it to his best friend, who died of the disease. Sonny committed suicide because he couldn't live with the guilt.

Maybe some families were left intact, no losses, huzzah! But their neighbors have stopped being neighborly, their cousins are now avoiding close contact because THEY have lost friends and neighbors...a few schools have had to make adjustments because some teachers are now dead, so your kids are being educated by a new batch of teachers who have no prior experience...

You have a new mailman now, and he doesn't know that you need the mail put through the doggie door instead of the mail box over the doorbell, because some whacko down the street steals the circulars for coupons...

That's what's next. That is the new world coming. Just a few more dead people. No big deal right?

The history of the modern world is going to be written pre-CV inception and post-CV inception. The main question then becomes........just to what degree of BAD will the post-CV inception really be? ALREADY we have 2 Americas, not a single-minded America focused strictly on the Great Virus War (WW 2.5). The UK has a vaccination rate of 85% and is returning to "normal". The US had a better start than the UK and could and SHOULD have been at 85% in April if NOT for Evangelical-type anti-vaccine thinking and other anti-American thinking and leadership flaws.

A few statistics.........72,000 new US pediatric US cases in the last week........49 CV patients currently at our TV Land hospital............5 pediatric hospitalizations at Advent Health, Orlando......BAD is becoming "BADDER"

[Spalumbos62]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Oh, no, I almost agree with you. This is really scary.
But I'm still not giving up my rolling laughing little men.

Lol....if I knew where to find them I'd post them right back at ya...lol
Let's all stay healthy.

[biker1]

Please stop making nonsensical statements. 85% in April was not possible. First of all, vaccinations were only opened up to those under 65 starting at the beginning of April in many locations. 83% of the population is under 65 so most people did not have access to vaccinations in April. Secondly, about 18% of the population is under 12 and are still not eligible for the vaccine.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

The history of the modern world is going to be written pre-CV inception and post-CV inception. The main question then becomes........just to what degree of BAD will the post-CV inception really be? ALREADY we have 2 Americas, not a single-minded America focused strictly on the Great Virus War (WW 2.5). The UK has a vaccination rate of 85% and is returning to "normal". The US had a better start than the UK and could and SHOULD have been at 85% in April if NOT for Evangelical-type anti-vaccine thinking and other anti-American thinking and leadership flaws.

A few statistics.........72,000 new US pediatric US cases in the last week........49 CV patients currently at our TV Land hospital............5 pediatric hospitalizations at Advent Health, Orlando......BAD is becoming "BADDER"

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Spalumbos62

Lol....if I knew where to find them I'd post them right back at ya...lol
Let's all stay healthy.

They didn't get their vaccines, so I quarantined them ()