[jimbo2012]

Ok what ever you say

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

Gracie, cholesterol is absolutely diet related, from what we have read (and that's a lot) genetics have less to do with it then we are led to believe, now don't start hammering me on that statement.

I can support it.

In certain countries the norm is 90-120, here we are led to believe as U just stated that <200 is good, it's not.

The target s/b <150, Dr. Esseltyn claims no one with a cholesterol below has had clogged arteries.

R your cholesterol levels with or without meds?

Ours range 130-135 no meds.

I do believe that everyone processes their foods differently.
Some can eat junk food their entire life and live to a ripe old age.
Some can do everything right.......and succumb way too early.
It's complicated.

A close female cousin "inlaw" is as skinny as they come, DOES NOT eat junk food........eats lightly of very healthy rabbit foods and lean protein. She's had high blood pressure and high cholesterol since being diagnosed at about age 30 while carrying her first child.

This diagnosis encouraged her to be even more rigid in her food choices and upped the exercise routine. She's naturally lean and very thin.

Doctors even put her on many different anxiety meds for the variety of symptoms her entire life.

Long story short, a few years ago they replaced her mitral valve during open heart surgery..........her blood pressure is STILL HIGH.* She's still skinny as they come........is on coumadin (blood thinner) for LIFE.

Still loves the veggies and fruits.......but has to watch the consumption of naturally blood thinning veggies , of which there are quite a few.
ditto for cranberries...........so, her surgery became a double edged sword.

Her cholesterol remains high no matter what she does.

How is this explained????

Everyone's physical body is different.

It took our cousin thirty years to get an accurate diagnosis of mitral valve prolapse........in trying to repair the original valve, they accidently broke the heart strings??? and had to put in a artificial valve .......she had hoped for a lamb's valve but they gave her the metal one; I'm thinking titanium but that probably isn't correct.

Anyway, the "leaflets" of the heart valve were faulty and causing all of her health problems over the years.......but most doctors chalked it up to female anxiety..........however, again, with all the doctoring, they cannot get her blood pressure under control. Just the way her body is.....no matter what she eats or doesn't consume........and believe me, this lady is very self disciplined and rigid in her food choices.

Her main symptom used to be the feeling of "an elephant on my chest".
She even asked the surgeons if she had overdone the exercising.......
they didn't think so.

[2BNTV]

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by 2BNTV

Well, air popped popcorn would be acceptable, correct?????
Obviously, no butter and no salt.

Are you saying that this thread has run it's course?

Or, perhaps, that optional viewpoints are not tolerated?

Many folks believe that moderation is the best way to go vs. rigid avoidance.

Believe me, I do understand the dietary preferences of the younger crowd these days and when preparing for a large family reunion, make sure to have all the fruits and veggies and non meat dishes I can think of.........the number of those who partake of this vegatarianism has grown.........but then, I also prepare good old comfort foods for those who just enjoy life and enjoy a special treat...........and who look forward to the typical holiday fare from the good old days.

So, bring on the popcorn. Another friend of ours died at age 50 of a massive heart attack....while sitting in his reclining chair. He had survived one before but his wife insisted he walk around the high school track every day.............they came home to find him deceased.

Same lady who brought a slice of "low fat cheese" to go on his "low fat hot dog" which she brought in her purse. We all know those low fat foods aren't necessarily what they appear to be...........poor guy died anyway. He could have enjoyed one last grilled hot dog, the regular way.
We went to the funeral a few days later. So, moral of story, substituting low fat food when one already has heart disease, doesn't always work. I know. You will say her choice in food was bad; I agree.

But it was a big deal to them at the time.

One happy thought..........the young children of today DO INDEED KNOW HOW TO MAKE HEALTHY FOOD SELECTIONS.......we see it in our grandchildren.

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Well, air popped popcorn would be acceptable, correct?????
Obviously, no butter and no salt.

No butter correct, but salt is ok.

Are you saying that this thread has run it's course?

Not by a long shot, some folks can't handle the truth or don't wish to read the scientific proof.

like

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo]A Few Good Man "You Can't Handle the Truth" - YouTube[/ame]

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

No butter correct, but salt is ok.



Not by a long shot, some folks can't handle the truth or don't wish to read the scientific proof.

like

A Few Good Man "You Can't Handle the Truth" - YouTube

Well, I'm tolerant of all viewpoints. There isn't only one right way to anything. Anyone who lives long enough can tell you that.

In the bigger scheme of things, the healthiest person in the world could get swept up by a tornado spawned by this new tropical storm which will soon hit the Panhandle of Florida..........we just saw on the news how Debby has flooded Sarasota and caused deaths south of Tampa, etc.

Everyone stay safe.

The weird part of it all, is that we saw Ginger Zee (?) on ABC weekend news.......first she said that it was heading towards Texas.........(whereas we saw the radar seemingly going toward the Gulf Coast of Florida).

Then, Sunday evening, she changed her direction and said the tropical storm would hit the panhandle.

I wonder if people in Sarasota, etc.had adequate warning?
Even Cedar Key looks pretty bad and it's not in the direct eye of the storm.

Again, stay safe. As my dear old mom would say......"When your number is up, your number is up". She passed at 91. According to her internist who was a close friend and neighbor.......after doing extensive tests on her at the hospital......."Your mom has the heart, lungs, bones, etc. of a much younger woman". She was in perfect health.....ultimately Alzheimers came along....at the end. Now, no one will like to hear this, but even the nurses would say that when the body gets that frail and you no longer can take care of yourself........perhaps death is a blessing.
It's not to be feared. Anyone who has visited skilled nursing homes will agree that living longer isn't always as wonderful as it's cracked up to be.

Age sneaks up on everyone.............no matter what we do or don't do.

By the way, mom NEVER took all those Fosamax and Boniva and she did walk every day on ice and snow.......sometimes fell.....NEVER broke a bone; never ended up in the hospital for any type of surgery.......never got cancer.........never had a heart attack........she always wondered if she'd live to 95 like my grandmother did. That's another lady that ate everything.......obviously in those days, food was not "supersized".

I still say it's genetics. Our life path is written out in our D.N.A.

Stay safe in the event of tornados caused by that storm Debby.
Take care.............seriously.

p.s. I also think a jolly , accepting personality , not an uptight worrisome over every little morsel of food type, will help one live longer......plus being kind to people.......and meditating or praying every day to still the mind......is the right path.

If everyone was exactly the same, how boring would it be?

[senior citizen]

A directory of athletes and other sports professionals who have died.



Death knows no age.......look at the athletes aged 20 to 29 who died prematurely.



Plus the next age level........and beyond. The varying reasons are also mentioned......many 20 years olds got cancer.......



We've all lived longer than some others we know.............

my childhood best friend passed away at age 39 from Systemic Lupus..........it had nothing to do with her diet.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Well, I'm tolerant of all viewpoints. There isn't only one right way to anything. Anyone who lives long enough can tell you that.

In the bigger scheme of things, the healthiest person in the world could get swept up by a tornado spawned by this new tropical storm which will soon hit the Panhandle of Florida..........we just saw on the news how Debby has flooded Sarasota and caused deaths south of Tampa, etc.

Everyone stay safe.

The weird part of it all, is that we saw Ginger Zee (?) on ABC weekend news.......first she said that it was heading towards Texas.........(whereas we saw the radar seemingly going toward the Gulf Coast of Florida).

Then, Sunday evening, she changed her direction and said the tropical storm would hit the panhandle.

I wonder if people in Sarasota, etc.had adequate warning?
Even Cedar Key looks pretty bad and it's not in the direct eye of the storm.

Again, stay safe. As my dear old mom would say......"When your number is up, your number is up". She passed at 91. According to her internist who was a close friend and neighbor.......after doing extensive tests on her at the hospital......."Your mom has the heart, lungs, bones, etc. of a much younger woman". She was in perfect health.....ultimately Alzheimers came along....at the end. Now, no one will like to hear this, but even the nurses would say that when the body gets that frail and you no longer can take care of yourself........perhaps death is a blessing.
It's not to be feared. Anyone who has visited skilled nursing homes will agree that living longer isn't always as wonderful as it's cracked up to be.

Age sneaks up on everyone.............no matter what we do or don't do.

By the way, mom NEVER took all those Fosamax and Boniva and she did walk every day on ice and snow.......sometimes fell.....NEVER broke a bone; never ended up in the hospital for any type of surgery.......never got cancer.........never had a heart attack........she always wondered if she'd live to 95 like my grandmother did. That's another lady that ate everything.......obviously in those days, food was not "supersized".

I still say it's genetics. Our life path is written out in our D.N.A.

Stay safe in the event of tornados caused by that storm Debby.
Take care.............seriously.

p.s. I also think a jolly , accepting personality , not an uptight worrisome over every little morsel of food type, will help one live longer......plus being kind to people.......and meditating or praying every day to still the mind......is the right path.

If everyone was exactly the same, how boring would it be?

Enjoyed your post, SC, thank you!

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by senior citizen

Age sneaks up on everyone.............no matter what we do or don't do. I still say it's genetics. Our life path is written out in our D.N.A.

I also think a jolly , accepting personality , not an uptight worrisome over every little morsel of food type, will help one live longer......plus being kind to people.......and meditating or praying every day to still the mind......is the right path.

I totally agree. Hats off to S.C. for a great post.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Pooh, your comments make sense to me. I also think that laughter, loving life, and having a positive attitude have a lot to do with good health.

Both Barefoot and Pooh's comments also make sense to me.

Obviously, we've all witnessed the longevity of loved ones who did NOT follow a vegan diet, but DID eat a lot of natural foods and veggies in their day , which was pre processed foods era..........and I can say for mine, that besides following what is now called the MEDITERRANEAN DIET, that they also had a strong faith in some mysterious guidance from above........so perhaps, ultimately, not worrying or nit picking over every little thing, might also contribute to a longer life.

By the time my own mother was in her 60's, retiring at age 62, she told me that "All the things I worried about never came to be".........so her new philosophy was not to worry about anything.........she passed at 91.

I would think that would include worrying about prolonging one's life span on earth............she always said, "When your number's up, your number's up". She died on my dad's birthday, having outlived three husbands.

Obviously, she had married "older men".

She ate everything from all the food groups, but according to her internist, she was in excellent health as far as all her major organs and bones, etc............Alzheimers was the cruel "long goodbye"......

When we'd visit the Alzheimers unit, at the end of her life, we could see it spared no one........there were teachers, engineers, regular folks and highly intelligent (at one time) folks, as their families would tell us.

One could have the healthiest body.......and then the brain is destroyed insidiously. The "end" is not a pretty sight. I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Just saying, you could have the healthiest perfect body and something else can sneak into your life...........

Better to just enjoy life and not worry about it all, or prolonging it, etc.

[jimbo2012]

What R U doing tomorrow morning?

Maybe you folks should take in a movie here

[ilovetv]

"Health nuts are going to feel stupid someday, lying in hospitals dying of nothing."

--Redd Foxx

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[ssmith]

I just wanted to add something that has been implied but not well known. As I understand it, most of us have cancer cells forming every day. The issue is whether our body can take care of it or not. That is why it is so important to eat those lovely plant based foods...to put our body in the best situation to fight off these cancers. For example, mushrooms are known to fight the blood supply to these cancers. Now mushrooms are not the only plant based food that does that so a person who does not like mushrooms could use another vegetable to do it.

It just seems that everyone thinks that they won't get cancer when they could already have cancer cells but the difference would be wether their body is in optimal shape nutrition -wise to get rid of it.

PS I am not a nutritionist and often wonder at how much we really don't know yet about our bodies!!!!

Also sorry to add to this very long thread that I think may have run it's course.

[senior citizen]

Originally Posted by ssmith

I just wanted to add something that has been implied but not well known. As I understand it, most of us have cancer cells forming every day. The issue is whether our body can take care of it or not. That is why it is so important to eat those lovely plant based foods...to put our body in the best situation to fight off these cancers. For example, mushrooms are known to fight the blood supply to these cancers. Now mushrooms are not the only plant based food that does that so a person who does not like mushrooms could use another vegetable to do it.

It just seems that everyone thinks that they won't get cancer when they could already have cancer cells but the difference would be wether their body is in optimal shape nutrition -wise to get rid of it.

PS I am not a nutritionist and often wonder at how much we really don't know yet about our bodies!!!!

Also sorry to add to this very long thread that I think may have run it's course.

Excellent post and new "food for thought".

I've heard about this theory for approximately the past 25 years and always found it interesting, to say the least.

Some folks might even add, "If the cancer cells that are floating around in all of our bodies NEVER GET DETECTED"........say by super early screening for instance...........we'd be none the wiser.....or worried over it for quite some time.........and ultimately would not succumb to the harmful side effects of the radiation and chemo treatments....which even doctors admit are harmful to healthy tissue, etc. as well as beneficial in attacking the malignancies.........look at Robin Roberts who admitted that her present blood condition was caused by her breast cancer treatment.

Just food for thought. Robin is one classy brave lady; I hope all goes well for her with the bone marrow transplant.......I've known two separate ladies who underwent the same procedure in the past year; who passed away anyway. Not to be morose, but it's just buying time. However, what is the quality of life if the chemicals administered initially wreak havoc on healthy cells and body parts?

It really is a dilemma of modern medicine. There is no easy answer.
I'm quoting this from doctors I know. An oncologist's life must be very difficult.

[jimbo2012]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I think Gracie (like myself) is trying to figure out the benefits and drawbacks of a veggie diet, and trying to figure out what that type of lifestyle would look like.

Originally Posted by jimbo2012

I'll ask what benefits would you like to achieve?, maybe then I can answer better.

Also are you concerned of any drawback?

Barefoot I realized you never replied to your question.