[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I really appreciate your unflagging enthusiasm with what is best for us and I mean that. I firmly think that eating vegetables is yummy and good for you but..........

too much of the same song kinda makes me remember why I didn't want to join the church that said only their bunch would get in the pearly gates on judgement day.

Be a good example is the best policy. You can catch more flies with...

if you wanna catch flies.

Plus the article quoted above. No one has ever asked me what I ate...so they missed me for sure in those statistics. Helene and Sweetie didn't get asked either...I will check with the grandkids.

I don't think comparing food science with religion is very valid or worthwhile.
For one thing it's a huge waste of time to argue religion because it's based on faith, not scientific data. Science would suffer if there were not any questioning. How would it be if one scientist said to another, "okay, whatever you believe is okay with me"? It's more likely that one will try to duplicate the experiment or study of the other to see if it really proves to be accurate. That's why so many scientific studies are done over and over again.

On this thread, questioning is important to find out if what another person is saying is accurate, scientificly based, opinion, or faith based?

[Moderator]

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[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Here is an article that I found pretty much agreeable to my philosophy of a healthy diet and continued healthy lifestyle. I agree that extreme diets may not be easily sustainable and people lose their enthusiasm for them over time.

The 7 Habits of Highly Successful Eaters « Real Life Nutrition

I finally decided to take your test and here's the result:

1) Prefers fruits and vegetables: Absolutely! I don't just tolerate them, I derive great enjoyment from eating fruits and vegetables. Even those that are slightly bitter, like brussels sprouts. I enjoy a wide variety including cauliflower, broccoli, asparagus, tomatoes, cucumber, carrots, yellow squash, romaine lettuce, bok choy. This could go on forever.

2) Has a flexible eating style Yes, how else could I become a vegan at the age of 65? And I've been happily practicing veganism for about the past 6 years. Flexibility within the vegan diet too: If I go out to eat once or twice a month, I'll have a serving of turkey and fish.

3) Focus on the positive Yes, I think healthy foods are a positive for one's health and well being and that makes me enjoy them all the more.

4) Trust the body's wisdom I absolutely do; I don't feel well when I eat junk food. And I get a great sense of well being when I eat a healthy diet.

5) Make it a lifestyle I eat healthily about 99% of the time because it's a preferred lifestyle. I say 99% because I might go out to eat once or twice a month. When I do, I still eat healthily but it's just not going to be as healthy as eating at home.

6) Remove perceived barriers Yes, I'm always prepared with healthy snacks whenever I'm away from home.

7) Kep nutrition in perspective Yes. I don't jump on every new nutrition trend.

This test was okay as far as it went; I just don't think it went deep enough. The test leaves plenty of wiggle room. On the surface, a person's diet can seem good when it might not be that good. For example, someone might say, "I try not to eat too much XYZ." Well, how much do they think is too much? In other words, it's left up to the person to decide.

One thing they could ask is: Are you overweight? If you're overweight, it's highly likely that you're not eating a healthy diet.

Another might be: Do you need to take prescription drugs for various health conditions like high blood pressure or high cholesterol? If so, it's highly likely you're not eating as healthily as you should.

[lightworker888]

If you read your responses to the test VIllagesPL, you can't help but benefit from the diet. I would say that you are at least 60+% responsible for the goodness that the diet is affording you as you have embraced it with enthusiasm, an expected positive experience and a happy lifestyle commitment that permeates all that you do, not just what you choose to eat. You also listen to your body and support it enthusiastically. All these things affect your emotional health and impact the internal soup that supports your health.

I don't believe you have to eat an entirely plant based diet to get the health results you have acquired, but one would do well to adopt the enthusiastic commitment, expected positive outcome and passion to support health that you have demonstrated regardless of what they choose to eat. I do believe that weighting the diet towards the micronutrients is a wise decision for anyone, but doing that reluctantly and with any feelings of deprivation doesn't help the body to utilize and absorb the food well. At least that is part of my belief, which I have aquired from many sources over the years.

LW888

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

If you read your responses to the test VIllagesPL, you can't help but benefit from the diet. I would say that you are at least 60+% responsible for the goodness that the diet is affording you as you have embraced it with enthusiasm, an expected positive experience and a happy lifestyle commitment that permeates all that you do, not just what you choose to eat. You also listen to your body and support it enthusiastically. All these things affect your emotional health and impact the internal soup that supports your health.

I don't believe you have to eat an entirely plant based diet to get the health results you have acquired, but one would do well to adopt the enthusiastic commitment, expected positive outcome and passion to support health that you have demonstrated regardless of what they choose to eat. I do believe that weighting the diet towards the micronutrients is a wise decision for anyone, but doing that reluctantly and with any feelings of deprivation doesn't help the body to utilize and absorb the food well. At least that is part of my belief, which I have aquired from many sources over the years.

LW888

Thank you for another good post. You are correct in your judgement that I could be healthy with a diet that includes some animal protein. Before I became a vegan (This is just between you and me.) I did just as well as I'm doing now. So I didn't just get healthy because I'm a vegan. But I became a vegan because I hope to be better able to maintain good health as I get older. I hope to possibly prevent the prostate cancer that my father and brother had. If I can do that Im good for another 40 years (wink-wink).

[lightworker888]

Check out the link I posted on the Food 4 thought link. It is a Q&A with Dr. Bruce. Take out the "possibly" in your thinking and move yourself into really knowing. Then you are showing the body that you trust its ability to keep you well. I am currently practising the feeling of wellness and doing my best to access it on a regular and consistent basis so that it becomes a more automatic "vibration". It is really amazing how the feeling can be so different and so much lighter with less efforting. Still have to do it consciously (like learning how to drive) but I know that it can transfer and quantum theory tells us that it can happen quickly and in fact is happening as I talk about it. I guess that is why I am so passionate about how we language and talk to each other. It affects the rapport and that affects the emotional timbre of the conversation, which will affect the "field" which affects etc etc....... tooo much to think about!!

LW888

[lightworker888]

BTW Villages PL, check out the comments in Dr. Bruce's book about Psych K. That is the type of work that I am talking about re changing beliefs. There are many variations that have developed over the years and all are using the same paradigm although the approaches and protocols may be different. EFT is one of many and is almost like an umbrella style as most of the interventions have grown out of EFT which grew from Touch for Health and that is based on TCM. So the understanding on some level of Quantum Theory is very old has a long history of success.

"New" isn't always improved and may not even be "new", which I always find amusing. That isn't to say there isn't some place for new things, but to think that new is better is to throw the baby out with the bath in my view.

As I have said before, just because something can't be scientifically proven, or can't be explained, seen, touched or measured, doesn't mean it can't exist and be very effective. We just haven't got there yet in our discovery process or maybe we haven't re-discovered it yet!

The body's messages bypass the conscious, left-brain logic and convey whole brain, unconscious info, so that is why if something "feels" right, then go with it and trust your own body wisdom. Follow your gut and don't always try to make sense of it. Your mind will always come up with an answer if you ask "why" and it may or may not be on the right path. That is your left-brain, conscious processor working. Accessing the powerful unconscious processor and utilizing that info without having to know all the reasons first is a big step in trusting self.

I better stop before this becomes more than a note.

Just some more food for thought.


LW888

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

Check out the link I posted on the Food 4 thought link. It is a Q&A with Dr. Bruce. Take out the "possibly" in your thinking and move yourself into really knowing. Then you are showing the body that you trust its ability to keep you well. I am currently practising the feeling of wellness and doing my best to access it on a regular and consistent basis so that it becomes a more automatic "vibration". It is really amazing how the feeling can be so different and so much lighter with less efforting. Still have to do it consciously (like learning how to drive) but I know that it can transfer and quantum theory tells us that it can happen quickly and in fact is happening as I talk about it. I guess that is why I am so passionate about how we language and talk to each other. It affects the rapport and that affects the emotional timbre of the conversation, which will affect the "field" which affects etc etc....... tooo much to think about!!

LW888

You asked me to check out the link on "Food 4 thought" so I started looking through this long thread trying to find it. I got back as far as page 13 and decided to quit. Do you realize how long this thread is?

[Villages PL]

We have read many examples of people who supposedly followed all the rules of health but did poorly. Conversely, we have been given many examples of people who didn't follow the rules and yet lived to a ripe old age. So, I think the conclusion was that it doesn't much matter whether you follow any rules or not.

I'm sure we could find many drivers who break all the rules of safe driving yet don't get into accidents. Conversely, I'm sure we could find many who do follow all the rules and yet they get into accidents. That being the case, what should our attitude be toward driving? That following safe driving rules is a waste of time?

P.S. It's not my purpose to change the subject to driving but to demonstrate faulty reasoning on the part of those who seem to suggest that good rules don't matter.

[lightworker888]

Sorry, I should have sent the link. It was on the other thread near the end so I assumed that you would go to the end, but you know about assuming!! Anyway here is the link. I thought it was well articulated and worth watching.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1Tt0yGMm88&feature=related]Science & Theory behind the Tapping World Summit - Bruce Lipton - YouTube[/ame]

LW888

[jimbo2012]

Over 30 minutes??

Guess we need

[lightworker888]

But well worth listening to if you are so motivated. It really explains the different paradigms for looking at health and healing and will give you much food for thought. If you do not resonate with it, then you can dismiss it out of hand, but you won't forget the essence of it and I can assure you that it will cause you to think about many aspects of your own world view and perhaps you will enjoy looking out another window on occasion. It also will facilitate forward thinking if that is something that interest you. Hope you are able to make some time to view it. Maybe on a rainy day!


LW888

[jimbo2012]

Please don't miss understand, I close no door on any information.

But just couldn't sit thru it at the moment, so I'll make some popcorn when I have time.

I enjoy your posts and would like to meet you when we get there.

[lightworker888]

That's always the challenge with communication in writing! I'm sure it will give you much to consider and the ramifications are soooo widespread. It really affects every conclusion we make and every thought we think. We are down in the Spring and Fall so perhaps we could have a gathering of any likeminded people who are interested in all these "out there" ideas.

LW888

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by lightworker888

BTW Villages PL, check out the comments in Dr. Bruce's book about Psych K. That is the type of work that I am talking about re changing beliefs. There are many variations that have developed over the years and all are using the same paradigm although the approaches and protocols may be different. EFT is one of many and is almost like an umbrella style as most of the interventions have grown out of EFT which grew from Touch for Health and that is based on TCM. So the understanding on some level of Quantum Theory is very old has a long history of success.

Psych K? What does K stand for? I read his book and don't recall anything about Psych K. Is there an updated version? Would I find it in the index? Still can't find your link. But if it's a half hour long, I don't think I will sit through it all. Have you read, or do you intend to read, anything I have suggested? For example, "The China Study" that makes the case against eating animal protein?

"New" isn't always improved and may not even be "new", which I always find amusing. That isn't to say there isn't some place for new things, but to think that new is better is to throw the baby out with the bath in my view.

I don't think anyone has suggested that "new" is better simply because it's new. Man has existed on earth for about 2 million years during which time processed foods were not eaten except for about the last several thousand years. So when I say I believe it's bad to eat processed foods, that's certainly not new. And as far as animal protein goes, most of it is nowhere near the same as what it was tens of thousands of years ago. For the most part it has been made fatty and high in omega 6, not to mention hormones and antibiotics. And that which is supposed to be better, like grass-fed beef, is usually about 10 to 12 dollars a pound. I can put my money to better use by buying fresh fruit and vegetables etc..

As I have said before, just because something can't be scientifically proven, or can't be explained, seen, touched or measured, doesn't mean it can't exist and be very effective. We just haven't got there yet in our discovery process or maybe we haven't re-discovered it yet!

You're absolutely right and very often it's called a placebo. It hasn't been very well explained why placebos often work so well. The problem is they usually don't work long term and they don't work for everyone.

The body's messages bypass the conscious, left-brain logic and convey whole brain, unconscious info, so that is why if something "feels" right, then go with it and trust your own body wisdom. Follow your gut and don't always try to make sense of it. Your mind will always come up with an answer if you ask "why" and it may or may not be on the right path. That is your left-brain, conscious processor working. Accessing the powerful unconscious processor and utilizing that info without having to know all the reasons first is a big step in trusting self.

I once talked to a woman who believed that if she craved something it meant that her body had a need for it. So she said if she craved potato chips, ice cream or other such junk food, she would eat it trusting that her body must need it. However, I believe she was just caving in to her junk food addiction. What if a person craves cigarettes? Does that mean their body needs it for health or does it mean that the person is addicted? What about the alcoholic who craves alcohol? Do you see what I mean?