[jimhoward]

If almost everyone else gets vaccinated, then you or your child do not have to get vaccinated because the disease won't spread.

Many parents will find it in their interest to skip the vaccine avoiding any cost or possible risks.....banking on everybody else being vaccinated. But, if too many make that choice the disease will spread.

[Velvet]

I can see families with young children leaving Florida in the future. (Should bring our school taxes down.) We, oldies, are usually well vaccinated. Won’t make much difference for us, one way or another.

[mraines]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

FL reverses mandate for childhood vaccines to attend public schools.

Do the med DRs here agree with the decision? I don't

Florida working to end all vaccine mandates: DeSantis and Ladapo – NBC 6 South Florida

yes, pediatricians will recommend it, but the crazy anti vaxxers will decline and put lots of children at risk. . and will this then put elderly at risk?

I had schoolmates and family members who suffered through polio. Is this what we want? Do we want to kill, blind and maim our children so you can be "free"? I think this is the most foolish thing this state has done.

[mraines]

Originally Posted by Papa_lecki

They are not ending childhood vaccines, they are allowing parents (not the government) to decide what vaccines are best for their children.

And those that choose not to vaccinate their children put themselves and others at risk. Foolish.

[mraines]

Originally Posted by Normal

You haven’t a clue about “third world countries “. I’ve lived in a few and we are far and away superior to that status. In fact we are far and away better than any European nation. Just because vaccine mandates have been removed, or that parent’s can now file for an exemptions, doesn’t mean we will ever be that third world country.

It must be fun telling other people what they have to do with their bodies .

What other people do or do not do with their bodies affects others. Please stay away from me if you don't get Covid vaccines. We are well on our way to being a third world country.

[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by Topspinmo

For ones not vaccinated? If not then why get vaccinated if not going to protect you? Covid vaccines are prime example now with all deaths possible side effect even years after vaccine. As with most vaccines only small percentage has major problems. Some don’t want take the risk just like whether get lightning rods or not? weight the risk factor? I also notice children seem to have a lot more health problems nowadays? Whether if from side effects of vaccines or not something causing this?

Is this based on waiting room head counts or something else

[ThirdOfFive]

Originally Posted by Normal

You haven’t a clue about “third world countries “. I’ve lived in a few and we are far and away superior to that status. In fact we are far and away better than any European nation. Just because vaccine mandates have been removed, or that parent’s can now file for an exemptions, doesn’t mean we will ever be that third world country.

It must be fun telling other people what they have to do with their bodies .

GREAT post. I ran it by my wife, who was born and raised in a third-world country in SE Asia (Thailand), and she got quite a chuckle out of it. She also agrees 100%. People who have not experienced exactly what that means (and I don't mean as a tourist) simply have no clue.

Some of the things she talks about beggar the imagination: like when she got meningitis as a very young girl and her father carried her over ten miles to the only hospital in the area as there was no transportation available. About having no indoor plumbing--or outdoor plumbing: when the urge struck you headed out to the rice paddies and did your business there. About being essentially abandoned as a young child after her mother divorced her father and having to live with her aunt and grandmother who were dirt-poor even by the standards of that time and place. About getting up at 3:00 AM and having to grind rice into flour on a stone mill so her aunt and grandmother could cook the desserts for sale that was the family's only source of income. About getting a job tying re-bar on a construction project in the middle of summer--age 13--so she could afford a school uniform. About being too poor to have a lunch to take to school so she'd "study" in the library while the other kids ate. About the time both her grandmother and her aunt got sick and she had to stay home to take care of them--at six years old. About many other things.

I've spent extended time there with my in-laws and have seen firsthand where she was raised, as well as how a lot of people live particularly in Isaan (NE Thailand) where a primary source of protein are insects. Things are better now, but not all that much for some people. You are totally right. Being poor in America actually reflects a life style that would be the lap of luxury in a great many third-world countries.

[mraines]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Born 1948: Polio vax about 1955, Smallpox about the same time (maybe a couple of years later) and maybe tetanus. I do recall tetanus boosters as an adult so the original must have been given at some time or other.

Other than that...nada. I remember at about age 9 or so (happened earlier too from what I heard), if one kid came down with measles, or mumps, or chicken pox, the other parents in the community would bring their kids around to be exposed, the hard logic behind the practice being that those diseases, being "one and done", having the kids get it at a time of their parents' choosing just made things easier for everyone. We kids didn't mind: mumps was uncomfortable for a few days (I recall the horror stories about mumps "going down"...(didn't realize what that meant until years after I had them). Chicken pox was nothing: maybe three sores and that was it. Measles likewise, though mom insisted that the kid(s) with the measles had to be in bed with the lights off for a couple of days. Any one of the three meant a few days off from school so it was sort of like a vacation.

Funny. I don't remember, or even remember hearing, about a kid getting really sick or dying from any of those diseases. They were just a minor part of growing up.

Which is why I agree with making vaccinations optional. The State arbitrarily going the in loco parentis route is tantamount to saying not only that the parents don't have the brains to act in the best interest of their child, but that the state does. I haven't seen much evidence of that.

Well, I was born in 1947. I had classmates and family members who had been crippled by polio. I was lucky that I was not. I don't want to see it come back and that will happen if parents don't vaccinate their kids.

[mraines]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

Born 1948: Polio vax about 1955, Smallpox about the same time (maybe a couple of years later) and maybe tetanus. I do recall tetanus boosters as an adult so the original must have been given at some time or other.

Other than that...nada. I remember at about age 9 or so (happened earlier too from what I heard), if one kid came down with measles, or mumps, or chicken pox, the other parents in the community would bring their kids around to be exposed, the hard logic behind the practice being that those diseases, being "one and done", having the kids get it at a time of their parents' choosing just made things easier for everyone. We kids didn't mind: mumps was uncomfortable for a few days (I recall the horror stories about mumps "going down"...(didn't realize what that meant until years after I had them). Chicken pox was nothing: maybe three sores and that was it. Measles likewise, though mom insisted that the kid(s) with the measles had to be in bed with the lights off for a couple of days. Any one of the three meant a few days off from school so it was sort of like a vacation.

Funny. I don't remember, or even remember hearing, about a kid getting really sick or dying from any of those diseases. They were just a minor part of growing up.

Which is why I agree with making vaccinations optional. The State arbitrarily going the in loco parentis route is tantamount to saying not only that the parents don't have the brains to act in the best interest of their child, but that the state does. I haven't seen much evidence of that.

I don't know how old you are but maybe you don't remember because the vaccines pretty much eliminated them.

[fdpaq0580]

Originally Posted by mraines

I had schoolmates and family members who suffered through polio. Is this what we want? Do we want to kill, blind and maim our children so you can be "free"? I think this is the most foolish thing this state has done.

Certainly one of many foolish things.

[Whatnext]

It's bad enough with the Christian names some parents bless/blight their children with, now the same people get to decide which illness their progeny can avoid or catch.
What could go wrong?

[shut the front door]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

FL reverses mandate for childhood vaccines to attend public schools.

Do the med DRs here agree with the decision? I don't

Florida working to end all vaccine mandates: DeSantis and Ladapo – NBC 6 South Florida

yes, pediatricians will recommend it, but the crazy anti vaxxers will decline and put lots of children at risk. . and will this then put elderly at risk?

Can you link the source that said "Florida is ending modern childhood vaccines"?
Because that is patently false. But spreading fear and panic will certainly get you a lot of replies. Just like the spoon fed masses.

[Whatnext]

Originally Posted by shut the front door

Can you link the source that said "Florida is ending modern childhood vaccines"?
Because that is patently false. But spreading fear and panic will certainly get you a lot of replies. Just like the spoon fed masses.

If you click on the OP, the link is there.

[blueash]

You asked for the opinion of doctors on this site. The stupidity and frankly malevolence of this recommendation astounds me. The anti-science conspiracy mongering leaders may not live long enough to see the results of their terrible policies but our nation will suffer.

Vaccines, clean water, sewers, drug testing for safety and efficacy, anti-smoking messaging have all produced overwhelmingly beneficial results for us. So because some people deny science, despise universities and a broad and deep education, and believe that what is on you-tube or tic toc has equal merit to what comes out of Harvard or Duke or the NIH or the NEJM we are at this crossroad.

So many of you posting here have no understanding of how vaccines work, how they benefit both the recipient and the community, and how high the risk is of these diseases returning with a vengeance.

This is not just a choice of parents doing what they think is best. Parents who spend hours on conspiracy websites, watching lying TV networks, and being influenced by demagoguery are not in the best position. Should we start selling lead paint again? Should we get rid of air pollution controls so we can all breathe filthy air? Do we allow smoking on airplanes and restaurants? Do we tell manufacturers that seat belts and air bags must be optional for car buyers? Do we get rid of CPS and tell parents it is ok to beat your kids because it is in the Bible and that's how my grandparents did it?

You know what is going to happen when measles returns. It won't just kill some kids, it will permanently damage others. And the government and health insurance will pick up the cost.. thus everyone. And when Rubella returns and we have damaged newborns.. and when Hemophilus and Pneumococcal meningitis liquify babies' brains you can thank your GOP leaders for their ignorant leadership. When epiglottitis chokes your grandson to death so quickly they don't make it to the hospital for anything but an autopsy, send a nice note to DeSantis.

I have seen these diseases disappear in my career thanks to universal vaccination requirements.