[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

To my knowledge, no food item has ever been banned.

Well the good ex-mayor Bloom-whatever of NYC tried (unsuccessfully) to ban large sodas… remember?

A Google search reveals 11 banned items (mostly imported).

There was one whacked caffeine/alcohol concoction made in the USA that was banned "Four Loco"…sounded like quite a "headache in a can" if you ask me.

[billethkid]

Originally Posted by dewilson58

Have been banned in schools.

government (Michelle O) guideline that is currently being rejected by many school systems nation wide as the kids are not interested and not buying in the cafeterias. Hence sales are down and cannot make a profit. Easy to reject government guidelines. Unfortunately the government assigns certain perks to those who follow the guidelines. But losing money is not a part of the equation very many school systems will adhere to.

They are only incented guide lines....not laws....YET anyway. Brown bagging solves the problem.....assuming kids would do so....probably not in this day and age!!

[asianthree]

Our hospital removed all soda, except fake ginger ale. We just bring in our own.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by B767drvr

Well the good ex-mayor Bloom-whatever of NYC tried (unsuccessfully) to ban large sodas… remember?

A Google search reveals 11 banned items (mostly imported).

There was one whacked caffeine/alcohol concoction made in the USA that was banned "Four Loco"…sounded like quite a "headache in a can" if you ask me.

The problem, as I se it, is that most people are unable to connect the dots. People don't want large sodas taken away but they don't see a connection to their tax dollars being taken away. I would rather have large sodas and trans fats taken away than to have my tax dollars taken away. Which would be more important to you, the large soda or your hard earned money that goes to pay taxes in New York City?

At the time they decided to ban trans fat in New York City, the hospitals were being flooded with patients getting "free" heart by-pass operations. The operations were free to most of those getting the procedure but not free to New York City (resident) tax payers.

Then came the issue of large sodas: Most people never saw it as a choice between keeping their soda and keeping their tax dollars. They voted to keep the status quo. That's fine if that's what they want, but if that's what they want they should stop complaining about high taxes.

[KayakerNC]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

The problem, as I se it, is that most people are unable to connect the dots. People don't want large sodas taken away but they don't see a connection to their tax dollars being taken away. I would rather have large sodas and trans fats taken away than to have my tax dollars taken away. Which would be more important to you, the large soda or your hard earned money that goes to pay taxes in New York City?

At the time they decided to ban trans fat in New York City, the hospitals were being flooded with patients getting "free" heart by-pass operations. The operations were free to most of those getting the procedure but not free to New York City (resident) tax payers.

Then came the issue of large sodas: Most people never saw it as a choice between keeping their soda and keeping their tax dollars. They voted to keep the status quo. That's fine if that's what they want, but if that's what they want they should stop complaining about high taxes.

About 80% of hospitals are private sector businesses, 20% are government owned like VA hospitals.
I don't see how you figure taxpayers are paying for all these medical procedures. Or are you advocating for the repeal of Medicare, Medicaid, and the Veteran's Administration?

[sunnyatlast]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

The problem, as I se it, is that most people are unable to connect the dots. People don't want large sodas taken away but they don't see a connection to their tax dollars being taken away. I would rather have large sodas and trans fats taken away than to have my tax dollars taken away. Which would be more important to you, the large soda or your hard earned money that goes to pay taxes in New York City?

At the time they decided to ban trans fat in New York City, the hospitals were being flooded with patients getting "free" heart by-pass operations. The operations were free to most of those getting the procedure but not free to New York City (resident) tax payers.

Then came the issue of large sodas: Most people never saw it as a choice between keeping their soda and keeping their tax dollars. They voted to keep the status quo. That's fine if that's what they want, but if that's what they want they should stop complaining about high taxes.

Did the NYC bureaucrats really think people were so stupid as to think they couldn't get around the big soda ban, by simply buying TWO smaller ones??

(Unless of course all of us dumbed-down, unwashed masses were given government rationing coupons that don't include soda at all)…..

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by sunnyatlast

Did the NYC bureaucrats really think people were so stupid as to think they couldn't get around the big soda ban, by simply buying TWO smaller ones??

(Unless of course all of us dumbed-down, unwashed masses were given government rationing coupons that don't include soda at all)…..

Why did the soda companies come out with the double size sodas? Did they think people were so stupid that they couldn't buy two smaller bottles?

Answer: The soda companies do "test marketing" before they bring something to market. And they found that people consume more soda with the larger size. And that's what New York City was focused on, the net result. The net result being "higher consumption".

[graciegirl]

What somebody thinks is bad for you Could be bad for you but not that bad. I do not think people have heart transplants because of small amounts of sugar and aspartame. THAT is a huge reach.

http://www.webmd.com/heart-disease/g...tion-treatment

People have heart problems for any number of reasons, including genetics and due to overweight and consuming too much fat and sugar, but that is still their choice. This country has to be run by the majority, no matter what the majority think. It feels like we are bending over backward trying to make all views equal. It isn't working.

I think VPL's diet plan is extreme. I think that most people would be healthier if they cut down on fats and sugars and ate a variety and MORE of fruits and vegetables. AND GET MORE EXERCISE.BUT since that is not number one on my values list I would never lecture them. You would always get a lot from me if you asked what I think about how people are currently raising their children, because that is number one to me. We are all different.

But nice in our own way. Most of us. Nice.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

The problem, as I se it, is that most people are unable to connect the dots. People don't want large sodas taken away but they don't see a connection to their tax dollars being taken away. I would rather have large sodas and trans fats taken away than to have my tax dollars taken away. Which would be more important to you, the large soda or your hard earned money that goes to pay taxes in New York City?

At the time they decided to ban trans fat in New York City, the hospitals were being flooded with patients getting "free" heart by-pass operations. The operations were free to most of those getting the procedure but not free to New York City (resident) tax payers.

Then came the issue of large sodas: Most people never saw it as a choice between keeping their soda and keeping their tax dollars. They voted to keep the status quo. That's fine if that's what they want, but if that's what they want they should stop complaining about high taxes.

As I said above, the issue was heart bypass operations not heart transplants. And this was costing New York City mucho millions of dollars every year. It was a very large significant amount of money. So Mayer Bloomberg and the N.Y.C. health department did what they did (banning trans fats) for 2 reasons. 1) to help tax payers avoid having to pay more tax increases and 2) to help improve health conditions overall.

About the soda issue: Sugar doesn't cause heart disease directly but it adds calories to a population that is already 2/3 overweight or obese. And it is the weight issue that is likely to bring on a chain of adverse health events that often leads to heart disease among many other diseases.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

As I said above, the issue was heart bypass operations not heart transplants. And this was costing New York City mucho millions of dollars every year. It was a very large significant amount of money. So Mayer Bloomberg and the N.Y.C. health department did what they did (banning trans fats) for 2 reasons. 1) to help tax payers avoid having to pay another tax increase and 2) to help improve health conditions overall.

Sugar doesn't cause heart disease directly but it adds calories to a population that is already 2/3 overweight or obese. And it is the weight issue that brings on a chain of adverse health events that often leads to heart disease among many other diseases.

Banning soda to be manufactured wouldn't stop that problem. People don't cook at home and are in a huge rush. They work much harder than we did when we were younger because we usually had one person taking care of hearth and home and running errards and taking kids to lessons and sports and washing and even ironing the clothes. People don't even have time to cook and enjoy a decent meal. It is that and not the big soda's that is the problem. People don't have time to live and to spend time doing ordinary things. People don't learn to cook and make cooking a very simple, fun thing to do, rather than a task. The world has changed so much.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Banning soda to be manufactured wouldn't stop that problem. People don't cook at home and are in a huge rush. They work much harder than we did when we were younger because we usually had one person taking care of hearth and home and running errards and taking kids to lessons and sports and washing and even ironing the clothes. People don't even have time to cook and enjoy a decent meal. It is that and not the big soda's that is the problem. People don't have time to live and to spend time doing ordinary things. People don't learn to cook and make cooking a very simple, fun thing to do, rather than a task. The world has changed so much.

Yes, I agree, but why add fuel to the fire? Your plan, as I see it, is to give up on taking any steps at all because there may be bigger problems that can't be solved.

Many years ago I worked with my father. And whenever I felt overwhelmed by a big job, my father would say, "take it one step at a time." And that's what I recommend here.

The problem is bad, like you said. But trans fat and soda just adds more fuel to the fire. And the soda companies know it, that's why they came out with the bigger bottles. They knew it would add to overall consumption.

Doing nothing is not a good plan in my opinion. As it turned out it didn't work, but at least they tried.

[Polar Bear]

Whether soda is good or bad, the government telling the people what size soda they can buy is simply the government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Polar Bear

Whether soda is good or bad, the government telling the people what size soda they can buy is simply the government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong.

How do you feel about the government sticking their hands in our pockets to get the tax money they need to pay for all the bypass operations and other procedures for people who are overweight, obese or very close to it?

[KayakerNC]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

How do you feel about the government sticking their hands in our pockets to get the tax money they need to pay for all the bypass operations and other procedures for people who are overweight, obese or very close to it?

The government is paying for all the bypass operations? Really? Where do you come up with all this BS? Any sources?

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

How do you feel about the government sticking their hands in our pockets to get the tax money they need to pay for all the bypass operations and other procedures for people who are overweight, obese or very close to it?

You mean you're blaming all those operations on large-size sodas? And you think all those operations will magically disappear if large size sodas are outlawed?? Oh wait...of course you do...almost forgot who I was responding to there for a second.