[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Pturner

Ariel,
You are one smart cookie. I like you and hope to meet you one day.

Oops, did I say cookie? No offense, VPL.

No offense taken, Pturner. A "smart cookie" means the person (usually a woman) is clever in dealing with difficult situations. I would say, "it takes one to know one". How do you like that?

I would guess you are refering to her statement that, "value can be missed if delivery is uncomfortable." I understand it and agree with it. The problem is I often don't have the time to stop and think how to make the message more comfortable. What in particular would you like to see changed?

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

No offense taken, Pturner. A "smart cookie" means the person (usually a woman) is clever in dealing with difficult situations. I would say, "it takes one to know one". How do you like that?

I would guess you are refering to her statement that, "value can be missed if delivery is uncomfortable." I understand it and agree with it. The problem is I often don't have the time to stop and think how to make the message more comfortable. What in particular would you like to see changed?

Well that was a general question posed to another person, but I for one wish what you would change about the delivery is to somehow not care so much and talk so much about what is happening outside your own choices of food. The Villages Inc...I doubt will change their marketing. People won't probably change their food choices due to what they read on TOTV and you won't change your attitude and ideas about what YOU think is healthy and unhealthy to do, eat and choose.

People who know how to interact with others successfully and sometimes teach them something and change their minds usually give "I messages". This is what I think and avoid being critical of another's views.

But first we have to entertain the idea that we could be wrong in some of our ideas. And you have to entertain the idea that you could be wrong in some of your ideas.

The last one to turn out the lights wins I guess in this argument.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

You can lead a horse to water but

Yes, I know. But someone has been dumping refined sugar, white refined flour and ice cream in the water. Horses aren't dumb; they want fresh (pure) water.

[zcaveman]

Village PL - just a question. Have you ever considered asking the Daily Sun to give you an interview so you can explain the values of healthy eating and some of the menus that you have set up for yourself - menus that would benefit TV for a healthier living community?

With TOTV you are only getting to a select few. With the Daily Sun you would get to a multitude of readers.

Z

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Well that was a general question posed to another person, but I for one wish what you would change about the delivery is to somehow not care so much and talk so much about what is happening outside your own choices of food.

Why is that? Is "food choice" like the choice of religion? Is it politically incorrect to voice one's opinion about food? If you can tell me what I should care about and talk about, would it be okay if I tell you what to care about and talk about?

The Villages Inc...I doubt will change their marketing. People won't probably change their food choices due to what they read on TOTV and you won't change your attitude and ideas about what YOU think is healthy and unhealthy to do, eat and choose.

I don't know where you get that from. The biggest change in my diet came about because a man on another website recommended a book to me. He knew that I was interested in health and nutrition. He worked in a library at the time and was always reading books about politics, economics, health etc.. So he sent me a message on the board asking me if I would read "The China Study" and give him my opinion of it. I said yes but thought to myself, "ho hum, just another health book". But when I finally got around to reading the book, I was amazed at the information it contained. And that's what caused me to change my diet to vegan. A few years before that, a young woman (on another website) told me about "The Okinawa Program" and that had a profound affect on my lifestyle too. So I don't know how you can be so sure that you know me well enough to know that I will never change.

To be continued:

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

People who know how to interact with others successfully and sometimes teach them something and change their minds usually give "I messages". This is what I think and avoid being critical of another's views.

I wish you would give me a few examples from this thread because I'm not sure what you mean. However, I will say this: You should experience what it feels like to have everyone gang up on you. When that happens to me, I tend to become more forceful or more direct than I otherwise would be.

But first we have to entertain the idea that we could be wrong in some of our ideas. And you have to entertain the idea that you could be wrong in some of your ideas.

I know I can be wrong, but you have to prove it to me before I accept it. This is one reason why I probably won't show up for the monthly meetings at Crispers. I feel it would only serve as an impediment to telling the truth. And I don't want to compromise the truth as I see it.

Once you, Ariel, and Pturner get together, for example, if you ever do, I believe none of you would ever disagree with the others. You would have to think about what it would do to the friendship.
As a result, intellectual integrity could be compromised.

[njbchbum]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

[snip]
Once you, Ariel, and Pturner get together, for example, if you ever do, I believe none of you would ever disagree with the others. You would have to think about what it would do to the friendships.
As a result, intellectual integrity may be compromised.

you can't or wouldn't honestly believe that if you have read the posts here on totv beyond the current thread!

most of the posters here have found the way to respectfully agree to disagree - even in the political forum!

many here have very strong opinions, such as yourself, and have found a way to be accepting of others who share equally strong opinions. for we all realize that without differing opinions we may never learn from others. and that learning has often led to even stronger friendships - without a compromise in intellectual integrity - because we simply accept that there are differing opinions, beliefs, ethics, etc that add to the wonderful diversity of the villages, totv and afternoon respite at crispers.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by zcaveman

Village PL - just a question. Have you ever considered asking the Daily Sun to give you an interview so you can explain the values of healthy eating and some of the menus that you have set up for yourself - menus that would benefit TV for a healthier living community?

With TOTV you are only getting to a select few. With the Daily Sun you would get to a multitude of readers.

Z

Thanks, caveman, I appreciate your confidence in me but I don't believe I could do it and, anyway, I don't think the newspaper would be interested in what I would have to say. If I were to be true to what I believe, I would trash all processed foods. And those foods would be the very foods they advertise and promote.

The Daily Sun publishes weekly health columns written by people they can count on not to cross a certain line. That's because the writers know if they cross that line, their columns could be canceled.

[Whatever]

Originally Posted by mikeod

Life is a series of choices, some voluntary, some forced upon us. Some of our choices work out well, some not so well. Diet is a personal choice. You have made your choice. Fine. I hope it works well for you. But to categorize those who don't subscribe to your specific dietary regimen as succumbing to baser instincts I find offensive.

That's why there is chocolate and vanilla.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Whatever

That's why there is chocolate and vanilla.

Yes, I use chocolate. I buy bakers chocolate that is located in the cooking isle at Walmart. It has no sugar or milk added. It's just pure chocolate. Some mornings when I make my oatmeal I put a little of it in the oatmeal and stir it around. It tastes good and provides lots of antioxidants. Yum!

I hesitate to mention this on the internet because if more people do it the price will go up. Oh well, I'll take my chances.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Yes, I use chocolate. I buy bakers chocolate that is located in the cooking isle at Walmart. It has no sugar or milk added. It's just pure chocolate. Some mornings when I make my oatmeal I put a little of it in the oatmeal and stir it around. It tastes good and provides lots of antioxidants. Yum! I hesitate to mention this on the internet because if more people do it the price will go up.

I won't be joining the stampede to put unsweetened chocolate on oatmeal. But perhaps you'll start a new trend.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

Thanks, caveman, I appreciate your confidence in me but I don't believe I could do it and, anyway, I don't think the newspaper would be interested in what I would have to say. If I were to be true to what I believe, I would trash all processed foods. And those foods would be the very foods they advertise and promote.

The Daily Sun publishes weekly health columns written by people they can count on not to cross a certain line. That's because the writers know if they cross that line, their columns could be canceled.

Where was the article on "green smoothies?" Wasn't it in the Sun?

Getting rid of all processed foods is easier to say than to do IMHO....there are huge numbers of people to feed in this world and it's up to individuals to regulate their dietary intake.

You and I disagree on a few points, ...in my estimation processed foods are not culprits. They are there to help provide sustenance to large numbers of people. Some processing helps food travel long distances, stay usable for longer periods. It was mentioned that today's modern family isn't the same as families from times gone by....now both parents may be working, not necessarily because they want to, but because they need to. Time is at a premium, and frankly, younger adults may not give a rat's a** about food...they just know they have to eat, they have to feed the kids and there is still SOOOO much to do, so.....it's a quick trip to the drive thru.

Tell me, have you always been this particular about what you ingest? Honestly? Over time, maybe others will decide that they aren't particularly satisfied with what they eat, they may want to follow whatever diet trend is in fashion and maybe that trend offers better food choices than what you feel are currently poor choices.

Not sure if you remember the movie "Sleeper" with Woodie Allen. Here's some lines from the movie that I always thought funny, but who knows....

Dr. Melik: This morning for breakfast he requested something called "wheat germ, organic honey and tiger's milk."
Dr. Aragon: [chuckling] Oh, yes. Those are the charmed substances that some years ago were thought to contain life-preserving properties.
Dr. Melik: You mean there was no deep fat? No steak or cream pies or... hot fudge?
Dr. Aragon: Those were thought to be unhealthy... precisely the opposite of what we now know to be true.
Dr. Melik: Incredible.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

I won't be joining the stampede to put unsweetened chocolate on oatmeal. But perhaps you'll start a new trend.

Can I skip the oatmeal? It doesn't like me....but I'll take the chocolate....ANYTIME...

[cathyw]

Thanks for the suggestion. I usually use fruit but I've been getting bored so I was looking for a change. I always have 85% chocolate in the house (not as healthy as bakers , but not as bitter) I'm looking forward to trying it in oatmeal

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by pooh

Where was the article on "green smoothies?" Wasn't it in the Sun?

If it was, I missed it. But I did read something about green smoothies in a book. It was written by a woman who likes consuming lots of leafy greens but didn't want to do all the chewing. A special machine was needed to liquify the greens. But it's not for me because I don't believe in drinking my food. Chewing, in my opinion, is an important first step in the digestive process.

Getting rid of all processed foods is easier to say than to do IMHO....there are huge numbers of people to feed in this world and it's up to individuals to regulate their dietary intake.

It won't happen in our life-time, if ever. I'm not worrying about the whole world. I basically just try to do what I think is right for myself and then try to set a good example for others.

You and I disagree on a few points, ...in my estimation processed foods are not culprits. They are there to help provide sustenance to large numbers of people. Some processing helps food travel long distances, stay usable for longer periods.

A good example would be Twinkies. A freighter full of Twinkies could travel around the world 25 times and still be "edible". So they say; I've never tried it.

It was mentioned that today's modern family isn't the same as families from times gone by....now both parents may be working, not necessarily because they want to, but because they need to. Time is at a premium, and frankly, younger adults may not give a rat's a** about food...they just know they have to eat, they have to feed the kids and there is still SOOOO much to do, so.....it's a quick trip to the drive thru.

We all make mistakes along the way. But parents who are busy working, etc., don't have to bring home donuts, soft drinks and potato chips. A glass of water from the tap doesn't take long to prepare. And a whole potato can be popped into the microwave instead of eating potato chips. There are ways of doing things if people would just stop and think.

ell me, have you always been this particular about what you ingest? Honestly? Over time, maybe others will decide that they aren't particularly satisfied with what they eat, they may want to follow whatever diet trend is in fashion and maybe that trend offers better food choices than what you feel are currently poor choices.

Well, it's difficult to say. I got interested at a young age but I didn't always practice a healthy diet. It's been a work in progress. It's been a long slow transition.

To be continued: