[mamagator]

Yummy! Lots of jellies, jams and other good treats at the Festival on Saturday, June 2! See y'all there!

[ilovetv]

It's still a free country and we'll eat as we damn well please.......as in "moderation is the key in everything".

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by mikeod

Life is a series of choices, some voluntary, some forced upon us. Some of our choices work out well, some not so well. Diet is a personal choice. You have made your choice. Fine. I hope it works well for you.

There's no argument there, I agree that it is a lifestyle choice.

But to categorize those who don't subscribe to your specific dietary regimen as succumbing to baser instincts I find offensive.

That's not exactly what I said but okay, if you want to put it that way. I believe my complaint was directed at the Daily Sun for appealing to our baser instincts. How would you categorize refined sugar, white refined flour, ice cream and butter? Do you think the promotion of those items appeals to our higher instincts?

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I wish this thread would be closed.

Why close this thread? Because you and others have tried to unsuccessfully change the subject?

The subject was blackberries and the healthful benefits of eating blackberries and the fact that the recipe suggestions in The Daily Sun would only make blackberries less healthful.

Do you disagree with my assertion? If so, give a logical argument instead of wandering off to another subject.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

It's still a free country and we'll eat as we damn well please.......as in "moderation is the key in everything".

You're off the subject again.

[Mikeod]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

There's no argument there, I agree that it is a lifestyle choice.




That's not exactly what I said but okay, if you want to put it that way. I believe my complaint was directed at the Daily Sun for appealing to our baser instincts. How would you categorize refined sugar, white refined flour, ice cream and butter? Do you think the promotion of those items appeals to our higher instincts?

Your complaint was not only directed at the Daily Sun, but also at the developer with the assertion that "Healthiest Hometown" was perhaps an empty phrase. I don't believe the paper, although owned by the developer, is intended to be a health newsletter. The Sun simply published a recipe of a resident that people have enjoyed. It was not published as part of a recommended dietary regimen.

The ingestion of those items you list is a personal choice, for better or worse, and is not a reflection of higher or baser instincts. It is exactly that categorization that I find objectionable.

Your lifestyle, your choice. My lifestyle, my choice. I have not, and will not, denigrate your dietary choices. Do not denigrate mine or others' as succumbing to "baser" instincts.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by mikeod

Your complaint was not only directed at the Daily Sun, but also at the developer with the assertion that "Healthiest Hometown" was perhaps an empty phrase. I don't believe the paper, although owned by the developer, is intended to be a health newsletter. The Sun simply published a recipe of a resident that people have enjoyed. It was not published as part of a recommended dietary regimen.

The ingestion of those items you list is a personal choice, for better or worse, and is not a reflection of higher or baser instincts. It is exactly that categorization that I find objectionable.

Your lifestyle, your choice. My lifestyle, my choice. I have not, and will not, denigrate your dietary choices. Do not denigrate mine or others' as succumbing to "baser" instincts.

Thank you. Well said. You are right. Exactly. Yes Sir!! Boy Howdy!

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by pooh

Why do you assume that The Villages isn't a healthy "city?"

As long as there's no science behind the assertion that this is "America's Healthiest Hometown", I think it's fair to assume that we are about the same as any other retirement community. The burden of proof belongs to those who make the claim that The Villages deserves a better health status than anywhere else. Where's the proof?

While the diet plan you follow works well for you and others, it is NOT the only way to eat, nor is it the only healthy way to eat.

When did I say that my diet plan is the only way to eat? You made a false assumption. I posted to jimbo what I eat because he asked me. Did I ever say it was the only way?

Villages, you enjoy your food choices. There is absolutely no guarantee that by eating in one particular way that we will live a long life. Life is uncertain, unforeseen accidents happen.

I have been saying that all along since I have been participating on this website. But even if I didn't, why would you assume that I don't believe that accidents can happen?

We can' t tell all others how to eat, it's presumptuous to assume that our way is the right way, in diet choices, in life choices.

I believe it's perfectly okay for me and others to give opinions on what we think is healthy or unhealthy. I believe that's part of what this board is for. That's why it's called "Medical And Health Discussion"

As I've said in the past, Live long and prosper.

I wish you the same.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by mikeod

Your complaint was not only directed at the Daily Sun, but also at the developer with the assertion that "Healthiest Hometown" was perhaps an empty phrase.

I went back and reread my opening post and I stand by my opinions. If anyone can show me scientific proof that this is America's healthiest hometown, I will gladly change my opinion. Where's the proof? If there's no proof, then it's just an advertising slogan, in my opinion.

I don't believe the paper, although owned by the developer, is intended to be a health newsletter. The Sun simply published a recipe of a resident that people have enjoyed. It was not published as part of a recommended dietary regimen.

To me it shows that they are not being consistent with their stated goals of being (or becoming) America's healthiest hometown. With a lot of hoopla they announced a new health alliance with USF. I am mearly trying to hold them to their word. The Lifestyle section offers them a unique oportunity to show what their intentions are.

The ingestion of those items you list is a personal choice, for better or worse, and is not a reflection of higher or baser instincts. It is exactly that categorization that I find objectionable.

To me it's like advertising to the community (and beyond) that they have no idea what's healthy and what's not healthy. If life is nothing more than a crap-shoot, why did they start a health alliance with USF?

Sorry that you didn't like my choice of words, but to me that's exactly what I believe they did. They tried to appeal to our baser instincts. They certainly were not encouraging us to eat healthier so that we might become America's healthiest hometown.

[pooh]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

As long as there's no science behind the assertion that this is "America's Healthiest Hometown", I think it's fair to assume that we are about the same as any other retirement community. The burden of proof belongs to those who make the claim that The Villages deserves a better health status than anywhere else. Where's the proof?


When did I say that my diet plan is the only way to eat? You made a false assumption. I posted to jimbo what I eat because he asked me. Did I ever say it was the only way?




I have been saying that all along since I have been participating on this website. But even if I didn't, why would you assume that I don't believe that accidents can happen?




I believe it's perfectly okay for me and others to give opinions on what we think is healthy or unhealthy. I believe that's part of what this board is for. That's why it's called "Medical And Health Discussion"




I wish you the same.

You may assume that TV is like any other retirement community, I do not. There are many aspects to being "healthy" VPl, and it isn't always showing lab results that are considered optimal.

What sort of studies do you want done? What criteria will be used to determine health? Why is the developer the "bad guy" so to speak? This community offers lots of activities, programs, sports, community services, things shown to keep people active, healthy and happy. Many other retirement communities do not offer as much.

I do apologize, you have not said your diet is the only way. I've taken some of your words as pontificating and think others may have also.

Time is the true test of what really "does a body good.". Many studies show positive results and those are the ones brought to light. Negatives might not initially show up or if they do, they may be minimized. Over time, a study either continues to prove itself or it is shown that the negatives outweigh the positives.

LL&P, VPl.....I'm starting to sound like a Star Trek movie.....

[ariel]

Eating healty is a wonderful thing. There are many opinions on how to do it and avoiding sugar, white flour seems to have many advocates and the support of science. It's also important to enjoy life and "splurging" every once in a while is probably not a bad thing. Especially if it makes us happy. I believe I recall a few studies on the impact of happiness, contentment, moderation in life being linked to health and longevity. I have two people in my life who are extremely concerned with eating - they don't really eat, they "fuel". Going to a nice restaurant, sitting down with friends for a long, leisurely meal is not something they are able to do. They are both extremely intelligent people, very opinionated, and not too tolerant of others who don't subscribe to their beliefs on matters of nutrition and exercise. Their relationships have suffered as a result. It's important to ensure that a balance occurs in our lives so that we don't miss out on something that could enrich us as well as impact our health and well-being.

[Barefoot]

Originally Posted by ilovetv

"The condition, which affects equal numbers of men and women, is described as a "fixation on righteous eating".

Experts says sufferers with the obsession for healthy eating tend to be aged over 30, and were middle-class and well-educated.

"I am definitely seeing significantly more orthorexics than just a few years ago," said Ursula Philpot, chair of the British Dietetic Association's mental health group.

Deanne Jade, founder of the National Centre for Eating Disorders, added: “There is a fine line between people who think they are taking care of themselves by manipulating their diet and those who have orthorexia.
“I see people around me who have no idea they have this disorder. I see it in
my practice and I see it among my friends and colleagues."

The condition, named by a Californian doctor, Steven Bratman, in 1997, involves rigid eating eating which includes not touching sugar, salt, caffeine,
alcohol, wheat, gluten, yeast, soya, corn and dairy foods.

Any “bad” foods that come into contact with pesticides, herbicides or contain artificial additives are also banned.

The obsession can lead to some sufferers ending up malnourished, lead to pressures in personal relationships and make them become socially isolated......

......“They are solely concerned with the quality of the food they put in their bodies, refining and restricting their diets according to their personal understanding of which foods are truly 'pure',” she said.

Nutritional consultant Ian Marber, who is also aka The Food Doctor, told the Daily Telegraph earlier this month that the “very worrying phenomenon” was becoming more prevalent in men.

"It's an obsessive fixation on eating so healthily that it becomes dangerous, characterised by feeling proud and superior by virtue of how little one eats,” he said."

Rise in 'orthorexic eating disorders sparked by healthy food obsession' - Telegraph

This is a great article and very relevant to the subject of healthy eating.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by ariel

Eating healty is a wonderful thing. There are many opinions on how to do it and avoiding sugar, white flour seems to have many advocates and the support of science. It's also important to enjoy life and "splurging" every once in a while is probably not a bad thing. Especially if it makes us happy. I believe I recall a few studies on the impact of happiness, contentment, moderation in life being linked to health and longevity. I have two people in my life who are extremely concerned with eating - they don't really eat, they "fuel". Going to a nice restaurant, sitting down with friends for a long, leisurely meal is not something they are able to do. They are both extremely intelligent people, very opinionated, and not too tolerant of others who don't subscribe to their beliefs on matters of nutrition and exercise. Their relationships have suffered as a result. It's important to ensure that a balance occurs in our lives so that we don't miss out on something that could enrich us as well as impact our health and well-being.

What a great way to word what I too believe.

We must always, ALWAYS, try to remember that we may be wrong on things that we think we know, have been taught, have always believed.

Keeping an open mind on all issues is good MENTAL health.

And....Villages PL, that goes for YOU, too. You must entertain the idea that you could be wrong on your ideas about a healthy diet and life style. AND that others may be right.

[njbchbum]

villages pl doesn't even have to accept that they might be wrong about anything -it would just be nice if they could simply admit that it is okay for others to have their own ideas about health and nutrition rather than berate them for their views!

don't need to be right or wrong - just need to be accepting of others opinions!

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by njbchbum

villages pl doesn't even have to accept that they might be wrong about anything -it would just be nice if they could simply admit that it is okay for others to have their own ideas about health and nutrition rather than berate them for their views!

don't need to be right or wrong - just need to be accepting of others opinions!

You are right. As usual.