[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by drducat

The right thing??? HMMM......a real vaccine would be nice..........

Funny how all the vaccine makers came up with the same gene therapy mRna....fat chance.....no such thing as coincidence's, sorry.....

By now many people know that the J & J vaccine is made on a different and older system of vaccine development than the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Is anyone else noticing a particularly scary turn this thread is taking compared to all the others. I fear we are heading into another civil war, and this one will not have clearly defined borders.

[John Mayes]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Is anyone else noticing a particularly scary turn this thread is taking compared to all the others. I fear we are heading into another civil war, and this one will not have clearly defined borders.

Then stop fostering the divide. People from both sides of the issue feel differently and trying to convince someone that has strong opinions on either side of the debate is a waste of oxygen and precious time that most of us have left.

[stanley]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Is anyone else noticing a particularly scary turn this thread is taking compared to all the others. I fear we are heading into another civil war, and this one will not have clearly defined borders.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner! If you like what's happening in Australia, you will love what's coming here

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

Is anyone else noticing a particularly scary turn this thread is taking compared to all the others. I fear we are heading into another civil war, and this one will not have clearly defined borders.

Well, if you consider anyone disagreeing with you as "scary', then you're correct. Me, I view it as healthy debate.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by stanley

Winner, winner, chicken dinner! If you like what's happening in Australia, you will love what's coming here

I'm starting to believe Grumpy would endorse what's happening in Australia. Their government tells them what to think and destroys any dissent.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Well, if you consider anyone disagreeing with you as "scary', then you're correct. Me, I view it as healthy debate.

No, I don't find people disagreeing with me to be scary at all. I believe disagreement is healthy and good for the country.,

I see people publicly discussing (or insinuating) overthrowing our government scary, DHS says homegrown terrorism is the biggest threat to our country today.

[GrumpyOldMan]

Originally Posted by lkagele

I'm starting to believe Grumpy would endorse what's happening in Australia. Their government tells them what to think and destroys any dissent.

Then. you don't know me very well, and if you are joking, I don't find it even a little bit funny.

No, I would never endorse that. I volunteered to fight for our country during VN in the Marine Corp. I love our country and our democracy. Did you? Do You? Please be careful calling my patriotism into question, it is a subject I take very seriously.

[drducat]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

By now many people know that the J & J vaccine is made on a different and older system of vaccine development than the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

The Johnson & Johnson vaccine uses double-stranded DNA.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by oneclickplus

False. The shot (not a vaccine) has no effect on transmission whatsoever. It only (possibly) mitigates symptoms to lower hospital visits & deaths. But, vaccinated people can (and do) spread this thing like everyone else. So, the "not just about you" is complete BS. If you think the shot will keep you alive, get it. But, unvaccinated people pose no additional risk to others. I'm out and staying out. And, my lack of vaccination plays no role in whether you become exposed to the virus or not. Educate yourself.

Brighteon

https://www.house.mi.gov/MHRPublic/C...s,%20Ph.D..pdf

Getting really tired of dealing with total misinformation. Let's do it again, from Miriam-Webster dictionary:

vac·​cine | \ vak-ˈsēn , ˈvak-ˌsēn \
plural vaccines
Definition of vaccine
1: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease: such as
a: an antigenic preparation of a typically inactivated or attenuated (see ATTENUATED sense 2) pathogenic agent (such as a bacterium or virus) or one of its components or products (such as a protein or toxin)
a trivalent influenza vaccine
oral polio vaccine
Many vaccines are made from the virus itself, either weakened or killed, which will induce antibodies to bind and kill a live virus. Measles vaccines are just that, weakened (or attenuated) measles viruses.
— Ann Finkbeiner et al.
… a tetanus toxoid-containing vaccine might be recommended for wound management in a pregnant woman if [greater than or equal to] 5 years have elapsed … .
— Mark Sawyer et al.
In addition the subunit used in a vaccine must be carefully chosen, because not all components of a pathogen represent beneficial immunological targets.
— Thomas J. Matthews and Dani P. Bolognesi
b: a preparation of genetic material (such as a strand of synthesized messenger RNA) that is used by the cells of the body to produce an antigenic substance (such as a fragment of virus spike protein)
… Moderna's coronavirus vaccine … works by injecting a small piece of mRNA from the coronavirus that codes for the virus' spike protein. … mRNA vaccine spurs the body to produce the spike protein internally. That, in turn, triggers an immune response.
— Susie Neilson et al.
The revolutionary messenger RNA vaccines that are now available have been over a decade in development. … Messenger RNA enters the cell cytoplasm and produces protein from the spike of the Covid-19 virus.
— Thomas F. Cozza
Viral vector vaccines, another recent type of vaccine, are similar to DNA and RNA vaccines, but the virus's genetic information is housed in an attenuated virus (unrelated to the disease-causing virus) that helps to promote host cell fusion and entry.

So, once again for those with comprehension issues, it is a VACCINE, NOT A SHOT. If you want a "shot", try the bar at City Fire (Of course you may go home and find you require additional "shots")

And next----people post garbage that implies that the vaccinated carry COVID just as much as the unvaccinated. FALSE. The SMALL percentage of vaccinated that do carry the virus have similar viral loads and transmission rates as the unvaccinated---BUT---they are a SMALL percentage----for the original virus it was 0.07%. The CDC has not tracked delta variant breakthrough but it is still relatively low.

And finally, the statement that "unvaccinated people pose no additional risk to others." is frankly idiotic and deserves no further discussion

[Byte1]

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan

No, I don't find people disagreeing with me to be scary at all. I believe disagreement is healthy and good for the country.,

I see people publicly discussing (or insinuating) overthrowing our government scary, DHS says homegrown terrorism is the biggest threat to our country today.

And you believe that? Wow!

[drducat]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Getting really tired of dealing with total misinformation. Let's do it again, from Miriam-Webster dictionary:

vac·​cine | \ vak-ˈsēn , ˈvak-ˌsēn \
plural vaccines
Definition of vaccine
1: a preparation that is administered (as by injection) to stimulate the body's immune response against a specific infectious agent or disease: such as
a: an antigenic preparation of a typically inactivated or attenuated (see ATTENUATED sense 2) pathogenic agent (such as a bacterium or virus) or one of its components or products (such as a protein or toxin)
a trivalent influenza vaccine
oral polio vaccine
Many vaccines are made from the virus itself, either weakened or killed, which will induce antibodies to bind and kill a live virus. Measles vaccines are just that, weakened (or attenuated) measles viruses.
— Ann Finkbeiner et al.
… a tetanus toxoid-containing vaccine might be recommended for wound management in a pregnant woman if [greater than or equal to] 5 years have elapsed … .
— Mark Sawyer et al.
In addition the subunit used in a vaccine must be carefully chosen, because not all components of a pathogen represent beneficial immunological targets.
— Thomas J. Matthews and Dani P. Bolognesi
b: a preparation of genetic material (such as a strand of synthesized messenger RNA) that is used by the cells of the body to produce an antigenic substance (such as a fragment of virus spike protein)
… Moderna's coronavirus vaccine … works by injecting a small piece of mRNA from the coronavirus that codes for the virus' spike protein. … mRNA vaccine spurs the body to produce the spike protein internally. That, in turn, triggers an immune response.
— Susie Neilson et al.
The revolutionary messenger RNA vaccines that are now available have been over a decade in development. … Messenger RNA enters the cell cytoplasm and produces protein from the spike of the Covid-19 virus.
— Thomas F. Cozza
Viral vector vaccines, another recent type of vaccine, are similar to DNA and RNA vaccines, but the virus's genetic information is housed in an attenuated virus (unrelated to the disease-causing virus) that helps to promote host cell fusion and entry.

So, once again for those with comprehension issues, it is a VACCINE, NOT A SHOT. If you want a "shot", try the bar at City Fire (Of course you may go home and find you require additional "shots")

And next----people post garbage that implies that the vaccinated carry COVID just as much as the unvaccinated. FALSE. The SMALL percentage of vaccinated that do carry the virus have similar viral loads and transmission rates as the unvaccinated---BUT---they are a SMALL percentage----for the original virus it was 0.07%. The CDC has not tracked delta variant breakthrough but it is still relatively low.

And finally, the statement that "unvaccinated people pose no additional risk to others." is frankly idiotic and deserves no further discussion

You know better.....This vaccine is only offers partial protection and the vaccinated still carry a viral load that can infect others....this has been proven over and over again.....look to Israel or the UK to find the correct details. Our own CDC is corrupted with FDA, The WHO ......follow the money.....I know you know.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by drducat

You know better.....This vaccine is only offers partial protection and the vaccinated still carry a viral load that can infect others....this has been proven over and over again.....look to Israel or the UK to find the correct details. Our own CDC is corrupted with FDA, The WHO ......follow the money.....I know you know.

That needs to be re-worded to----A SMALL percentage of the vaccinated still carry a viral load that can infect others.

As far as the conspiracy theory regarding the CDC, FDA, and WHO, well........

[Bay Kid]

Who do you trust?

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

No vaccine no vote.

I don't think our constitution and its amendments would allow us to go there. If it did, I would advocate "not a net taxpayer, no vote", first.