[Villagerjjm]

Originally Posted by nututv

There are so many great quotes regarding all of this. Here are a few of my favorites.

Collective fear stimulates herd instinct, and tends to produce ferocity toward those who are not regarded as members of the herd.

Sheep only need a single flock, but people need two: one to belong to and make them feel comfortable, and another to blame all of society’s problems on.

Neither a man nor a crowd nor a nation can be trusted to act humanely or to think sanely under the influence of a great fear.

There does not seem to be a point for this message to be posted on a discussion about masks.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by TNLAKEPANDA

For all the time that I have been Luanda around people like in grocery shopping etc I have yet to see anyone sneeze or even cough ������. That is really the only thing that wearing a mask helps with.

Wear one or not is your choice.

As some posters have already reported, many medical facilities (such as doctor's offices) will not see or treat you unless you do wear a mask. It is their prerogative to turn you away. In those instances, you do not have a choice to not wear a mask if you want or need medical treatment.

Doesn't it make you come to the conclusion that wearing a mask is beneficial if medical professionals are mandating mask wearing in their facilities?

[Altavia]

From a doctor:

"OK, here’s my rant about masks: I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery. For a significant part of that time, I have worn a mask. I have worked with hundreds (probably thousands) of colleagues during those years, who have also worn masks. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from lack of oxygen. Not a single one of us became ill, passed out or died from breathing too much carbon dioxide. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from rebreathing a little of our own exhaled air. Let’s begin here by putting those scare tactics to rest!
(It is true that some people, with advanced lung diseases, may be so fragile that a mask could make their already-tenuous breathing more difficult. If your lungs are that bad, you probably shouldn’t be going out in public at the present time anyway; the consequences if you are exposed to Covid-19 would likely be devastating.)

“But”, you ask, “can’t viruses go right through the mask, because they are so small?” (“Masks keep viruses out just as well as a chain link fence keeps mosquitoes out,” some tell us.) It is true that individual virus particles can pass through the pores of a mask; however, viruses don’t move on their own. They do not fly across the room like a mosquito, wiggle through your mask like a worm, or fly up your nose like a gnat. The virus is essentially nothing more than a tiny blob of genetic material. Covid-19 travels in a CARRIER – the carrier is a fluid droplet- fluid droplets that you expel when you cough, sneeze, sing, laugh, talk or simply exhale. Most of your fluid droplets will be stopped from entering the air in the room if you are wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is a very efficient way to protect others if you are carrying the virus (even if you don’t know that you are infected). In addition, if someone else’s fluid droplets happen to land on your mask, many of them will not pass through. This gives the wearer some additional protection, too. But, the main reason to wear a mask is to PROTECT OTHERS. Even if you don’t care about yourself, wear your mask to protect your neighbors, co-workers and friends!

A mask is certainly not 100% protective. However, it appears that the severity of Covid-19 infection is at least partially “dose-dependent.” In other words, the more virus particles that enter your body, the sicker you are likely to become. Why not decrease that volume if you can? “What have you got to lose?!”

“But doesn’t a requirement or a request to wear a mask violate my constitutional rights?” You’re also not allowed to go into the grocery store if you are not wearing pants. You can’t yell “fire” in the Produce Department. You’re not allowed to urinate on the floor in the Frozen Food Section. Do you object to those restrictions? Rules, established for the common good, are component of a civilized society.

“But aren’t masks uncomfortable?” Some would say that underwear or shoes can be uncomfortable, but we still wear them. (Actually, being on a ventilator is pretty darned uncomfortable, too!) Are masks really so bad that you can’t tolerate them, even if they will help keep others healthy?

“But won’t people think I’m a snowflake or a wimp if I wear a mask?” I hope you have enough self-confidence to overcome that.

“But won’t I look stupid if I wear a mask?” I’ve decided not to dignify that question with an answer!! ������

“But I never get sick; I’m not worried.” Well, then, wear a mask for the sake of the rest of us who are not so perfect!

There is good evidence that masks make a real difference in diminishing the transmission of Covid-19. Please, for the sake of others (and for the sake of yourself), wear your mask when in public. It won’t kill you!

P.S. - And, by the way, please be sure that BOTH your nose and mouth are covered!"

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Dayeight99

Ok. So we’ll just wear them everyday forever. Just like underwear. Got it.

No, that is not correct. Once there is an effective vaccine or an effective treatment for Covid, mask wearing will probably be a thing of the past. We are in the middle of a pandemic and must deal with this "new" normal as best we can and we need to do what is right. Mask wearing is just one method to mitigate this virus.

We all hope to be back to the real normal eventually. So.......no we will not have to wear masks every day forever.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Ritabob

No matter what power a governor thinks he or she has, you can’t force people to wear masks. It would have to be passed in the state congress as a law. Secondly, it’s impossible to enforce.

Why is it we do not see anyone walking into any establishment with no pants or underwear on? Covering up your bottom is enforceable. Why not covering up your nose and mouth? Just wondering.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

Why can’t people stop trying to FORCE others to wear/not wear a mask? We all actually still have choices. Why should people wear a mask all the time? To wear a mask when running or walking or driving a car or cart is probably more dangerous to the person himself but I see people doing just that with their eyeglasses fogged so they cannot see. Seriously?

Most of the time, I choose to just stay at home so I cannot encounter others’ germs. Easy. No mask required. All you road warriors can fight this out without me.

This virus has not certainly not produced kindness and empathy.

What everyone ignores about mask wearing is we are not wearing sterilized single-use medical grade masks.

We are wearing some flap of Macguyvered fabric that loosely covers—but only if you don’t pull it down exposing your nose (as I’ve seen many do)

And we wear them, lay them down, pick them up, wear them again...well you get the idea. If you’re really fastidious, maybe you rinse the cloth with soap & water then hang it to dry before rewearing it. The realistic potential of contaminating yourself are indisputable, but are completely ignored. And I’m really tired of being ordered around by people who have already demonstrated inept decision making.

Wearing a contaminated mask is detrimental to the wearer but is still very beneficial to others around the wearer. I know that sounds very selfish but it is true. It is very easy to keep a fabric mask not contaminated for the wearer. Just fold it up so the inside does not touch anything other than your nose and mouth. Do not touch the inside of the mask with your hands and do not allow any surface to brush against the inside of the mask. I fold my mask up in this safe manner and place it in a plastic snack bag and keep it in my purse. I do wash my cloth masks every time I do the laundry. This is so easy to do and keeps the mask wearer safe from contaminants other than their own droplets.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by ts12755

Society does not want to walk atound with masks. I don't want people waiting on me and restaurants wearing masks. If you're sick or weak stay home. The rest of us will take our chances and live our lives.

Asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic people do not have any symptoms so they don't know if they are sick with the virus. That is what this mask wearing is all about. Would you stay home from work if you feel perfectly normal? Most people wouldn't.

Wait staff in restaurants are making your dining experience much safer for you. You don't understand that????? Your waiter can be pre-symptomatic or totally asymptomatic for Covid, unknown to himself or to his customers.

Wait staff wearing masks protects everyone they come in contact with. That makes me feel safer and I've been dining out in restaurants in any establishment that mandates their employees to all wear masks. They get my business. Establishments which do not mandate their employees wear masks do not get my business.

It is very unfortunate for restaurant employees who must deal with the public because their patrons are not masked. Mask wearing is not conducive while eating and drinking and I don't think that will every change. It seems unfair but that is what they must do to continue to earn a living as restaurant employees.

I'm hoping this will all change and we can all go back to our maskless days when there is an effective vaccine and/or an effective treatment for Covid. Until then, masks are a way we can all help to mitigate this disease.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

I'm not too concerned about people not wearing masks, in places that don't require it. However, I would hope they'd have enough respect for me as a fellow human being, to abide by a social distancing. Not necessary to measure exactly 6 feet, I'm not even picky about that.

But when I'm in line at Walmart (I know, stupid idea but it's close and the prices are right), I DO expect that the people behind me will stay behind their shopping cart til I pick up the grocery bag and start to leave the lane (I use self-checkout).

I don't think that's an unreasonable expectation. It's maybe only 4 feet long total and I'm fine with that.

When the guy comes around the front of his cart so he's standing RIGHT NEXT to me, bends over to get something off the peg, so his head is facing my crotch when I turn around to ask him to back off - then he's too close. And he should be ashamed of himself. He should be ashamed of himself - even if there were no virus. And his wife should be ashamed that she defended him.

So hey Mr. and Mrs. TooClose - I'm talking about you. And yeah this is me. Do it again and I'll get a manager involved. Back the heck off. There's no reason why you need to get so close to me, I'm not leaving til I'm done, so 8 inches or 5 feet away, you're not going anywhere.

I know, right? I'm with you on that one. People are so clueless sometimes. I often think they are living in another time and that just may be the case in their minds.

OBB.....you are too funny. Love reading your posts.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

I’ve always wanted to ask this of someone “in the know:” Why was the science of mask-wearing not readily available before this pandemic ever hit? Why did it appear as though our officials were literally making things up as they went along? Why were we so poorly prepared with stockpiles of PPE and basic medical equipment and supplies when there has been an alphabet soup of other rapidly spreading contagions recently (SARS, MERS Ebola, H1N1, Bird Flu, not to mention TB and others)
These have spanned several administrations so please don’t don’t the easy route of blamzing it on the other party.

Many people in other countries have been methodically donning masks for a long time prior to 2020, ostensibly because their homelands have recently endured other contagions like SARS & they were told masks would help.

Didn’t the Japanese, Chinese, Indian or South Korean health officials study the effectiveness of the masks their own citizens have been wearing?

Or, does the CDC routinely dismiss foreign science strictly because it isn’t American science? It sure seems as if that must be the case.

If so, then some science isn’t nearly as reliable as other science & therein lies the problem because validity then becomes a matter of judgment and is open to interpretation.

Thanks for sharing your expertise with us.

You bring up extremely valid points. I'm the first one to say I'm very disappointed in our current administration and the experts who told us all not to wear masks unless we were sick or caring for someone who was sick with Covid. That was wrong on every level and they have since come "clean" with their reasons for being deceitful to the American people. I don't buy their excuses, AT ALL.

Once we got the recommendation from the experts and the CDC that wearing masks can help slow the spread of this dreadful virus, the American people sprung into action. We were requested not to stockpile PPE that our health care professionals needed to care for our sick. So what did we do? Home made face coverings were being made at an accelerated rate. Mask instructional videos were exploding on YouTube. Americans answered the call just like it was a war effort.

We did the right thing and left the available PPE for the front line workers. We are covering our faces with our home made masks and I'm so proud of the effort put forth by those Americans who choose to help mitigate this virus. Now, I'm seeing masks everywhere in retail stores and pharmacies so they are now readily available to the public.......just like toilet paper. Thank goodness!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Robbie0723

From a doctor:

"OK, here’s my rant about masks: I have spent the past 39 years working in the field of surgery. For a significant part of that time, I have worn a mask. I have worked with hundreds (probably thousands) of colleagues during those years, who have also worn masks. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from lack of oxygen. Not a single one of us became ill, passed out or died from breathing too much carbon dioxide. Not a single one us of became ill, passed out or died from rebreathing a little of our own exhaled air. Let’s begin here by putting those scare tactics to rest!
(It is true that some people, with advanced lung diseases, may be so fragile that a mask could make their already-tenuous breathing more difficult. If your lungs are that bad, you probably shouldn’t be going out in public at the present time anyway; the consequences if you are exposed to Covid-19 would likely be devastating.)

“But”, you ask, “can’t viruses go right through the mask, because they are so small?” (“Masks keep viruses out just as well as a chain link fence keeps mosquitoes out,” some tell us.) It is true that individual virus particles can pass through the pores of a mask; however, viruses don’t move on their own. They do not fly across the room like a mosquito, wiggle through your mask like a worm, or fly up your nose like a gnat. The virus is essentially nothing more than a tiny blob of genetic material. Covid-19 travels in a CARRIER – the carrier is a fluid droplet- fluid droplets that you expel when you cough, sneeze, sing, laugh, talk or simply exhale. Most of your fluid droplets will be stopped from entering the air in the room if you are wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is a very efficient way to protect others if you are carrying the virus (even if you don’t know that you are infected). In addition, if someone else’s fluid droplets happen to land on your mask, many of them will not pass through. This gives the wearer some additional protection, too. But, the main reason to wear a mask is to PROTECT OTHERS. Even if you don’t care about yourself, wear your mask to protect your neighbors, co-workers and friends!

A mask is certainly not 100% protective. However, it appears that the severity of Covid-19 infection is at least partially “dose-dependent.” In other words, the more virus particles that enter your body, the sicker you are likely to become. Why not decrease that volume if you can? “What have you got to lose?!”

“But doesn’t a requirement or a request to wear a mask violate my constitutional rights?” You’re also not allowed to go into the grocery store if you are not wearing pants. You can’t yell “fire” in the Produce Department. You’re not allowed to urinate on the floor in the Frozen Food Section. Do you object to those restrictions? Rules, established for the common good, are component of a civilized society.

“But aren’t masks uncomfortable?” Some would say that underwear or shoes can be uncomfortable, but we still wear them. (Actually, being on a ventilator is pretty darned uncomfortable, too!) Are masks really so bad that you can’t tolerate them, even if they will help keep others healthy?

“But won’t people think I’m a snowflake or a wimp if I wear a mask?” I hope you have enough self-confidence to overcome that.

“But won’t I look stupid if I wear a mask?” I’ve decided not to dignify that question with an answer!! ������

“But I never get sick; I’m not worried.” Well, then, wear a mask for the sake of the rest of us who are not so perfect!

There is good evidence that masks make a real difference in diminishing the transmission of Covid-19. Please, for the sake of others (and for the sake of yourself), wear your mask when in public. It won’t kill you!

P.S. - And, by the way, please be sure that BOTH your nose and mouth are covered!"

Just wondering.......are YOU the doctor or did you get this quote from someone else? This is better information and more to the point than our experts have given us.
Thank you for posting this.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by algi45

In sixth grade science classes, one should learn that air is mostly nitrogen and that's the stuff we're breathing.

Earth's Atmosphere: Composition, Climate & Weather | Space

Excerpt from the above linked article.........

Composition of air

According to NASA, the gases in Earth's atmosphere include:

Nitrogen — 78 percent
Oxygen — 21 percent
Argon — 0.93 percent
Carbon dioxide — 0.04 percent
Trace amounts of neon, helium, methane, krypton and hydrogen, as well as water vapor

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by ALadysMom

Why can’t people stop trying to FORCE others to wear/not wear a mask? We all actually still have choices. Why should people wear a mask all the time? To wear a mask when running or walking or driving a car or cart is probably more dangerous to the person himself but I see people doing just that with their eyeglasses fogged so they cannot see. Seriously?

Most of the time, I choose to just stay at home so I cannot encounter others’ germs. Easy. No mask required. All you road warriors can fight this out without me.

This virus has not certainly not produced kindness and empathy.

What everyone ignores about mask wearing is we are not wearing sterilized single-use medical grade masks.

We are wearing some flap of Macguyvered fabric that loosely covers—but only if you don’t pull it down exposing your nose (as I’ve seen many do)

And we wear them, lay them down, pick them up, wear them again...well you get the idea. If you’re really fastidious, maybe you rinse the cloth with soap & water then hang it to dry before rewearing it. The realistic potential of contaminating yourself are indisputable, but are completely ignored. And I’m really tired of being ordered around by people who have already demonstrated inept decision making.

I'm a proponent of mask wearing indoors when social distancing is not guaranteed. I'm not trying to enforce anyone to wear a mask. I'm trying to inform people as to the reason and benefits of mask wearing. I listen to the experts and science and provide links when I see a great article to pass on.

The choice is most certainly yours to wear or not wear a mask. No one if forcing you to wear a mask with the exception of some doctor's offices that I have and hubby have gone to. Doctor's offices will not give you the option of not wearing a mask unless you have a medical condition which prevents you from wearing one.

Again, the choice is yours. Just hope, after becoming informed of the reasons and benefits of mask wearing, that you make the correct choice.

[nututv]

Originally Posted by Villagerjjm

There does not seem to be a point for this message to be posted on a discussion about masks.

1. Collective fear. 2. Sheep. 3. Act humanely/sanely

[Velvet]

Originally Posted by nututv

I've been t-boned twice. Both times by drunks hitting me in the drivers door. The slowest impact was just over 45 mph. I wasn't wearing my seatbelt, I never do. Both times that's what saved me, had I been obeying the law I'd have been dead for sure. Both times the door was caved in to the center console or beyond. I was thrown to the passenger side. I'd have had a hood ornament stuck in my chest had I been strapped in. I raced motorcycles for years, crashed at over 80 too many times to count. Walked away from all but one that rang my bell a bit too hard. lol
Nothing is 100 percent, never will be. I'll take my chances thank you. Where do you call it quits? When they enforce wearing anti skid slippers in the shower so you don't break your neck?

You were lucky if you were in a car. The air bag is supposed to help. On a motorcycle it is different. You need to be thrown clear. I’ve been t-boned at the front wheel just in front of my knee. I was wearing full gear and injuries were not too bad. I like my life so no Russian roulette for me.

[Altavia]

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Originally Posted by coffeebean

Just wondering.......are YOU the doctor or did you get this quote from someone else? This is better information and more to the point than our experts have given us.
Thank you for posting this.

Cut and pasted from FB, author unknown. Thought it was a good synthesis also.