[blueash]

Extremely misleading thread title.

I have read the link. It is an opinion piece with references from 4 staff physicians at Kaiser. It is referenced with articles and TV shows that support their opinion.

The National Institutes of Health is not Kaiser but is a governmental organization (NIH.gov) and is a far more prestigious organization for making recommendations, although Kaiser does excellent work especially in harvesting data from their patient population. This opinion piece was published in their in-house magazine.

This is absolutely NOT an opinion from the National Institutes of Health.
The lead author is a nephrologist who trained at a Caribbean medical school. His biography does not list any training in nutrition.
https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org...reWc_5HNNNQ!!/

While these doctors may be right, they are not the NIH and do not represent the NIH nor even the opinion of Kaiser.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by blueash

Extremely misleading thread title.



I have read the link. It is an opinion piece with references from 4 staff physicians at Kaiser. It is referenced with articles and TV shows that support their opinion.



The National Institutes of Health is not Kaiser but is a governmental organization (NIH.gov) and is a far more prestigious organization for making recommendations, although Kaiser does excellent work especially in harvesting data from their patient population. This opinion piece was published in their in-house magazine.



This is absolutely NOT an opinion from the National Institutes of Health.

The lead author is a nephrologist who trained at a Caribbean medical school. His biography does not list any training in nutrition.

https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org...reWc_5HNNNQ!!/



While these doctors may be right, they are not the NIH and do not represent the NIH nor even the opinion of Kaiser.

Son of a gun. Thank you blueash

[B767drvr]

Originally Posted by blueash

Extremely misleading thread title.

I have read the link. It is an opinion piece with references from 4 staff physicians at Kaiser.

Thanks blueash. Sorry for the confusion - wasn't intentional.

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Those of us who eat in moderation understand exactly what it means --- not excessive or extreme!


mod·er·ate (mŏd′ər-ĭt)adj.

1. Being within reasonable limits; not excessive or extreme: a moderate price.
2. Not violent or subject to extremes; mild or calm; temperate: a moderate climate.

Hi Barefoot: I just happened on this thread and reached the same conclusion but your response is better than mine would have been.

Thank you

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by l2ridehd

There are far to many all or nothings in this world. And moving to a "plant based diet" as defined by the article would benefit and improve the health of a huge majority. But I suppose "huge majority" is an evasive term as well.

And I just love my plant based stuff in liquid form.

[rubicon]

I have a friend who reminds me of some on this thread. i can recall when he would hotly debate which brand of peanut butter was the most nutritional.

His FAMILY and mine moved our separate ways but stayed in touch over the years. His youngest daughter is our god child.

He visited my home when we lived in Minneapolis area about 10 years ago. Now a vegan my wife worked her magic to meet variety flavor and nutritional goals. His family non-vegan enjoyed prime rib roast and fixins. There is in my view plenty of room for one's preferences.

My only objection is having members of the Church of Green (energy) or Church of Kale (plant) evangelizing. My friend does that too and it drives his family and us all up a wall.


Personal Best Regards:

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

I think you are speaking about yourself.
You often refute and challenge what others say.

Just for clarity, the second quote belongs to VPL

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by rubicon

I have a friend who reminds me of some on this thread. i can recall when he would hotly debate which brand of peanut butter was the most nutritional.

His FAMILY and mine moved our separate ways but stayed in touch over the years. His youngest daughter is our god child.

He visited my home when we lived in Minneapolis area about 10 years ago. Now a vegan my wife worked her magic to meet variety flavor and nutritional goals. His family non-vegan enjoyed prime rib roast and fixins. There is in my view plenty of room for one's preferences.

My only objection is having members of the Church of Green (energy) or Church of Kale (plant) evangelizing. My friend does that too and it drives his family and us all up a wall.


Personal Best Regards:

I so agree and personal best regards to you too, Rubicon.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Barefoot

Residents of The Villages are much healthier than people of the same age who live in Northern climes.
Do you have any studies that indicate otherwise?
If not, why not assume we are a savy bunch, making smart, informed decisions about diet, exercise and social interactions?

The topic of this thread was not limited to The Villages population.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by dbussone

There is no such thing as a diet that will prevent "all the other degenerative diseases." This is a snake oil sale.

That's why I called it a "prevention strategy". Words mean things.

[dbussone]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

That's why I called it a "prevention strategy". Words mean things.

Words do mean things. That why I said this is a snake oil sale.

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by Bonanza

I think you are speaking about yourself.
You often refute and challenge what others say.

People only know what moderation means for themselves. No one can possibly know what moderation means for someone else. It's something different for each person. Therefore, it's pointless to offer the nutrition advice to "eat everything in moderation".

[Villages PL]

Originally Posted by blueash

Extremely misleading thread title.

I have read the link. It is an opinion piece with references from 4 staff physicians at Kaiser. It is referenced with articles and TV shows that support their opinion.

The National Institutes of Health is not Kaiser but is a governmental organization (NIH.gov) and is a far more prestigious organization for making recommendations, although Kaiser does excellent work especially in harvesting data from their patient population. This opinion piece was published in their in-house magazine.

This is absolutely NOT an opinion from the National Institutes of Health.
The lead author is a nephrologist who trained at a Caribbean medical school. His biography does not list any training in nutrition.
https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org...reWc_5HNNNQ!!/

While these doctors may be right, they are not the NIH and do not represent the NIH nor even the opinion of Kaiser.

Glad to hear that it was only an opinion piece written by 4 physicians.

[Polar Bear]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

People only know what moderation means for themselves. No one can possibly know what moderation means for someone else. It's something different for each person. Therefore, it's pointless to offer the nutrition advice to "eat everything in moderation".

What hooey.

(Pardon the technical jargon.)

[rubicon]

Originally Posted by Villages PL

People only know what moderation means for themselves. No one can possibly know what moderation means for someone else. It's something different for each person. Therefore, it's pointless to offer the nutrition advice to "eat everything in moderation".

Huh?