[CarolSells]

Originally Posted by baramu

What a misinformed person you are. Over 100,000 people are dead from this virus with the elderly being especially vulnerable. No, the CDC isn’t trying to scare you or lie to you. Sad train of thought.

Yawn. Did I mention the CDC or it’s guidelines? Has the CDC issued a statement saying that the extra layering of protection from a face shield is ineffective? Did I say don’t wear a face mask? I did say that many don’t use them correctly.

Maybe you didn’t read the whole thread before firing from the hip.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by HelenLCSW

Don’t you know any healthcare providers? They will all tell you this virus is more dangerous than the yearly flu. Why do you think more people need to be hospitalized— more people are showing organ damage subsequent to having it than with regular flu (which doesn’t cause organ damage). Why do you think hospital nurses are scared and anxious —concerned about having been exposed to patients with it —afraid of bringing it home to loved ones.
We know this virus is far more dangerous than the yearly flu —ask anyone who has had both!

Great post! Perfectly true and well articulated.

[Scbang]

Originally Posted by HelenLCSW View Post
Don’t you know any healthcare providers? They will all tell you this virus is more dangerous than the yearly flu. Why do you think more people need to be hospitalized— more people are showing organ damage subsequent to having it than with regular flu (which doesn’t cause organ damage). Why do you think hospital nurses are scared and anxious —concerned about having been exposed to patients with it —afraid of bringing it home to loved ones.
We know this virus is far more dangerous than the yearly flu —ask anyone who has had both!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

CV is MUCH more deadly than the common flu. Also more contagious. To disregard that is to kill your friends!

CV virus goes through a mask is a misinformation. CV virus does not exist by itself in the air. It is attached to a droplet which is much bigger than the size of virus. I have just one thing to say well maybe 2.
- You have a total freedom to decide if you don't mind being infected but please do not infect me due to your freedom of choice.
- Just check the statistics of S. Korea and Japan. They have been wearing masks for many years before CV pandemic especially during the flu season. Why? it is not really to protect themselves, it is to protect other when they might be sick.

Let's wear it. How many times you have sneezed and turn and OOPs, I didn't know you were near me. Sorry!

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by JoelJohnson

Don't be fooled by the wrong percentage of the death rate. It's very simple, take total outcomes, there are only two, which is number recovered plus number of deaths. Then divide total number of deaths by total outcomes: appx. 540,000 recovered, 100,000 dead = 640,000 outcomes. (100,000 / 640,000) * 100 = 15.6%.
THAT'S why we need to wear masks!

BTW, number of tested is meaningless because we will not know the total outcome until weeks later.

Good post!

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by Jacob85

Where do you get a face shield?

joke … right?

Fred

[Jazzman]

Originally Posted by CarolSells

So, after a gazillion posts pro and con to wearing a mask, I don’t believe that we have swayed anyone to our side, pro or con.

How about the compromise could be that people who are leery of mingling with non-maskers at rec centers , etc. could wear their masks AND face shields. They seem to be able to stop “stuff” going both in and out. Plus, the mask could be also worn to guard against anti-gravity droplets which might drift upwards under the face shield.

Your thoughts?

On Monday the World Health Organization released the following in regards to wearing masks:

-If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19.
-Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing.
-Masks are effective only when used in combination with frequent hand-cleaning with alcohol-based hand rub or soap and water.
-If you wear a mask, then you must know how to use it and dispose of it properly.

Everyone is an expert

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by CarolSells

To all of the people who have responded to this post who apparently lack reading comprehension skills I would like to point out that I mentioned that the face shield, as an alternative form of PPE, blocks germs going in BOTH directions! That would seem to suggest that the wearer is being proactive in protecting their self as opposed to the ridiculous argument that one is being protected by another person’s mask.

Have all of you mask police been out and about and done much observing of the way that many of the virtuous, ever-so-thoughtful people in masks are using and wearing them? Many are around chins and worn with noses sticking out. I saw a man in Walmart pull his mask down to pick his nose! Many wearers are constantly adjusting their masks thereby touching their faces which renders it useless.

And, I find the references to my profession totally tasteless.

As usual … very well said

Fred

[Andyhope]

Okay...if you want to wear a mask, do so. If you are wearing a mask , I don’t need one

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by Byte1

And I am sure that you wore a mask during the winter of 2017-2018 when the flu killed something like 61,000? Or, were you "selfish" and have now "evolved" in your view?
Thank you for considering me and wearing your mask.

To those that wish to ostracize those that do not feel the need to wear unproven protection in the form of a sock or hanky mask, sorry if I do not know you and am not considering your precarious health care status. Perhaps your care taker should run errands for you so that you are not exposed to the "invisible menace. "

By the way, I believe that there have only been 7 covid 19 related deaths in the Villages portion of Sumter Co. And Sumter Co. is the largest portion of the Villages. I am not trying to minimize the threat, but I do believe that folks should restrict their demands for limitations to others' personal liberties, to their own lives. Do not make presumptions that you are right and others are wrong.

I'll worry about civil obedience once Martial Law is declared. Otherwise, all precautions are voluntary, not mandated. Like I said before, I wear my mask and gloves out of my own preference, not someone else's demand.

61,000. Hymmmm let me think, CV has killed over 100,000 in a few months. It is just beginning. No comparison!

[600th Photo Sq]

Originally Posted by Bay Kid

I guess we should have been wearing mask for years.

Stick em Up !

[EviesGP]

So, after a gazillion MORE posts pro and con to wearing a mask(OR FACESHIELD), I don’t believe that we have swayed anyone to our side, pro or con. AGAIN. Welcome to Florida's Friendliest Hometown...thanks for coming to the show...please tip your waiters and bar tenders!

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Leadbone1

Can’t believe we’re still talking about this. Wearing a mask cannot be mandated. It is not a law. A world renowned epidemiologist indicated that because of the size of the virus it can go right through any mask. Even an N 95 mask. It’s a microbe! The only value of a mask is psychological. You don’t wear a mask during flu season do you? Since we now know this virus has virtually the same mortality rate as the flu why are we still talking about this? I cannot believe the paranoia about this virus has lasted this long. The media obviously did a great job of scaring people to death to the point where they can’t even think for themselves anymore.

Of course the virus can go right through a mask. The damn buggers are so microscopic that 10,000 virus particles can fit on the head of a pin. BUT.......the virus does NOT travel on its own. The coronavirus that causes Covid-19 is transmitted in droplets which are larger than the virus and will be blocked by masks. This is an extremely easy concept to grasp.

This is a great article and I encourage you to read it to become more informed.......
Coronavirus drifts through the air in microscopic droplets – here's the science of infectious aerosols

Now, here is a video of a demonstration how a simple t-shirt material is extremely effective for blocking droplets. Tightly woven cotton is even better at blocking droplets so I can imagine how much more effective tightly woven cotton is.............
How a mask blocks droplets - YouTube

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by RuthA

Since a virus can pass thru a mask much like a mosquito thru a chain link fence, wearing a mask is ludicrous except to make you feel better. Especially wearing one outside in the heat and humidity where even the "experts" say the virus can only survive for a minute and a half. Wearing a mask causes you to breathe in your own carbon dioxide and inhibits your own immune system. But, hey, it is a free world (at least it used to be), so wear a mask if you want. Just stop condemning other who refuse to fall for this nonsense.

Please see my post #107 to explain to you how your belief is incorrect. Thanks.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by Klatu

From what I hear regarding the mask quarrel, some folks feel it is necessary in order to stop the virus. Hold the presses: we are not going to STOP the virus, any more than we stop the flu, colds, etc. All these "If just 75% of the people wore masks, we could defeat this virus in X weeks" are nonsense to me. We can slow the spread, we can mitigate the spread but we will not stop it. AND the young, the healthy are not likely to die from it, so if they contract it, they will be laid low for a while and then be immune. The elderly who are healthy are more vulnerable and require wearing masks themselves if they are diabetic, frail or very immune compromised. So bottom line. If you are young and healthy and walking around, you don't necessarily need a mask unless you are serving others and could infect others. If you are outdoors and not face to face with people, you don't need to be paranoid about a mask. If you are in a store, you should wear one if required. Outside, hot weather and slight wind reduce the danger from droplets dramatically.

As for the demand that everyone wear masks, it's created a kind of Mask Nazi crowd that goes crazy if they see people without masks. We should not surrender our personal freedom and liberty except in the most dire, and temporary circumstances. Or, simply put: I am not going to surrender my choice simply because you are terrified, unless you can convince me your terror is based on facts -- not "estimates" or "experts' (who often are wildly wrong) or "the need of the group" (the group always is composed of people who want to dictate what other do to make them feel virtuous). Let's lower the terror meter folks and be suspicious of all the wild claims we here.

You mind telling that to Disney World, Leggo World, Sea World, Universal and a host of other theme parks? They seem to grasp why masks and social distancing can slow the spread of Covid-19.

[jimjamuser]

Originally Posted by coffeebean

Of course the virus can go right through a mask. The damn buggers are so microscopic that 10,000 virus particles can fit on the head of a pin. BUT.......the virus does NOT travel on its own. The coronavirus that causes Covid-19 is transmitted in droplets which are larger than the virus and will be blocked by masks. This is an extremely easy concept to grasp.

This is a great article and I encourage you to read it to become more informed.......
Coronavirus drifts through the air in microscopic droplets – here's the science of infectious aerosols

Now, here is a video of a demonstration how a simple t-shirt material is extremely effective for blocking droplets. Tightly woven cotton is even better at blocking droplets so I can imagine how much more effective tightly woven cotton is.............
How a mask blocks droplets - YouTube

Good post. I too saw that t-shirt video.