[Whitley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMyERFBdB4E&t=1291s

Above deals with the Immunology of mRNA vaccines.

Totally agree that the chance of anyone changing their mind from posts on ToTV is slim. Hopefully people will research and follow the facts.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Whitley

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yMyERFBdB4E&t=1291s

Above deals with the Immunology of mRNA vaccines.

Totally agree that the chance of anyone changing their mind from posts on ToTV is slim. Hopefully people will research and follow the facts.

sorry, I don't believed ANYTHING I see on youtube

[CFrance]

Originally Posted by Boston-Sean

Well, this is concerning.

The FAA has very quietly tacitly admitted that the EKGs of pilots are no longer normal. We should be concerned. Very concerned.

"After the vaccine rolled out, the FAA secretly widened the EKG parameter range for pilots so they wouldn't be grounded. It looks like the vax gave at least 50M Americans heart damage."

Here's an interesting article from MIT on Steve Kirch, the author of the above. Steve Kirch seems to have turned into an anti vaxer. I thought his article stated a lot of his theory rather than proven facts.


Tech millionaire Steve Kirsch went from covid trial funder to misinformation superspreader | MIT Technology Review

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

Yet some of the people who responded got Covid before being vaccinated or refused it and still had a mild case.

I can say I received a mild case because I was not vaccinated. Vaccine, no vaccine, the debate will go on for a very long time. What I find more disturbing is the censorship that occurred, and how so many embraced it. That is something I never would have expected. We are living in strange times.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Two Bills

Why are people still banging the same old drum after 3+years?
No one is going to change their opinions now.
You are for vaccination or against them.
At least some ( a very few mind you ) learn something from roundabout threads!

I agree, minds will not be changed. It is not as black and white as "you are for vaccines or against". I am for vaccines, but not the mRNA shot for covid. I had two of my doctors (I have some health issues) advise against the shot because I am high risk. I had and beat stage 3 cancer. Many long term effects (no complaints, I am alive). I go every two months for three infusions, and every four months for transfusions (it has averaged 3x a year. Of course labs are run monthly). I was set up to get the, I forget the names, IV at the hospital if I got covid. When I did get it, it was such a mild strain that I ended up only getting Vitamin D shots and the regular infusion. I went to the office, isolated myself and worked through it. My team did explain the situation well, but I would have liked to have done additional research. The censorship prevented this.

[PugMom]

Originally Posted by DARFAP

Although I've had 2xModerna and a booster, I'm done. Young, healthy people, esp athletes, are suddenly dying: cardiac arrest, strokes, aortic dissections... Now even CDC is investigating Pfizer vax causing strokes. Never again for me.

my best friend's sister-in-law was a healthy 54 year old mother of 2 grown kids. she worked full time & was active in sports & community projects. she was never diagnosed with high blood pressure or any of the things some of us @ that age had. she had the jab boosters & was fine up until last year when she suffered a stroke none of her docs can explain. she can't walk, eat or do any physical activity without help, & only recently is doing much better in her speaking. that's all i have to say.

[B-flat]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

If people don't want to get the vaccines, works for me. Thinning of the herd. Bring it on.

Read RFK Jrs. book "The Real Anthony Fauci". Bill Gates, Big Pharma and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health.

Yes, it is the thinning of the herd, the same reason they are pushing vaccines and boosters.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

I thought the vaccines and boosters were to prevent serious illness and lower the rate of deaths. If so, sounds like the shots did their job.

That is NOT what we were initially told. We were told that it would PREVENT you from catching Covid and PREVENT you from spreading Covid...

The prevention of "serious illness and lower death rates" were their fall back reasons after the initial ones proved false...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

That is NOT what we were initially told. We were told that it would PREVENT you from catching Covid and PREVENT you from spreading Covid...

The prevention of "serious illness and lower death rates" were their fall back reasons after the initial ones proved false...

The prevention of serious illness and lower death rates were what the vaccines were tested to do and the reason for their EUA. There are probably many reasons why "that is not what we were initially told." Just one of those reasons is that "we" are terrible at critical thinking and statistics and likely would have taken anything less than an announcement of an absolute cure as an admission that the vaccines don't work.

"They" needed good marketing. "They" might not have taken the time to even look at the test results. "They" needed to give us a reason to get the shots and slow the hospitalizations and deaths. We can certainly discuss whether the ends justified the means and I would probably agree that intentionally misleading Americans is never justified. But in the end, the vaccines did what they were tested to do and the rate of deaths dropped significantly among those who took the vaccinations.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

That is NOT what we were initially told. We were told that it would PREVENT you from catching Covid and PREVENT you from spreading Covid...

The prevention of "serious illness and lower death rates" were their fall back reasons after the initial ones proved false...

If you ever watched Dopesick Purdue Phama's claim was that Oxycontin would eliminate pain. After people took it for a while and the pain came back they said no problem just double the dosage. When people were getting addicted to it they said that it was because the dosage was not high enough so increase the dosage. Do you see a pattern here?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

The prevention of serious illness and lower death rates were what the vaccines were tested to do and the reason for their EUA. There are probably many reasons why "that is not what we were initially told." Just one of those reasons is that "we" are terrible at critical thinking and statistics and likely would have taken anything less than an announcement of an absolute cure as an admission that the vaccines don't work.

"They" needed good marketing. "They" might not have taken the time to even look at the test results. "They" needed to give us a reason to get the shots and slow the hospitalizations and deaths. We can certainly discuss whether the ends justified the means and I would probably agree that intentionally misleading Americans is never justified. But in the end, the vaccines did what they were tested to do and the rate of deaths dropped significantly among those who took the vaccinations.

Sorry, that doesn't fly...

If you intentionally lie to the general public, how can you ever expect them to trust you in the future?

Just like when Fauci initially lied about masks... And then lied about them again, 2 years later...

[Bill14564]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

...

"They" needed good marketing. "They" might not have taken the time to even look at the test results. "They" needed to give us a reason to get the shots and slow the hospitalizations and deaths. We can certainly discuss whether the ends justified the means and I would probably agree that intentionally misleading Americans is never justified. But in the end, the vaccines did what they were tested to do and the rate of deaths dropped significantly among those who took the vaccinations.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Sorry, that doesn't fly...

If you intentionally lie to the general public, how can you ever expect them to trust you in the future?

Just like when Fauci initially lied about masks... And then lied about them again, 2 years later...

I believe I already agreed with that.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

I believe I already agreed with that.

Yes, you did... My bad...

I was primarily responding to your first paragraph...

[Whitley]

I know there are a few doctors on here. I'd like to know if the mRNA can spread systemically throughout the body. Cells circulate. Can the spike protein in the blood last for weeks. If it systemically spreads, wouldn't it be able to create an auto immune type response in the brain, heart, ovaries, testes etc.. My one course in immunology was taken at night while I was in graduate school, so apologies if I am not explaining this properly. I would research it, but as I mentioned earlier social media has become a place of restrictive information.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Whitley

I know there are a few doctors on here. I'd like to know if the mRNA can spread systemically throughout the body. Cells circulate. Can the spike protein in the blood last for weeks. If it systemically spreads, wouldn't it be able to create an auto immune type response in the brain, heart, ovaries, testes etc.. My one course in immunology was taken at night while I was in graduate school, so apologies if I am not explaining this properly. I would research it, but as I mentioned earlier social media has become a place of restrictive information.

I have no medical training at all but wasn’t there some discussion of it being used that way to target cancer?