[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by ThirdOfFive

And the endless debate continues...

I forget where in this thread it was mentioned but someone observed that they don't trust ANY news source. I tend to agree. In this vastly overpoliticized and underinformed culture of ours, there is one truth that always seems to stand out. And that is that sensationalism sells. When that sensationalism involves news, which we so naively seem to believe is a dispassionate recital of the facts, it is doubly dangerous. News services are businesses like any other. They're out there to make money. And if sensationalism draws readership and generates hits, you can bet the farm that they'll use as much of that as they can. I tend to gravitate to sources without a dog in the fight, but those are becoming harder and harder to find.

This is what my own experience tells me. My wife and I decided from the getgo (on a cruise ship actually, which was one of the last to make it into port before the door slammed shut) that we were going to live our lives without fear, and as normally as possible. We rarely wore masks, and hung out with people with the same mindset. Handshakes and hugs were the norm, not those ridiculous fist-bumps. Oh--we both had COVID--late fall 2020. My wife had a VERY mild case. For me--well, not a picnic but to be honest I've had far worse cases of the flu. Felt kinda puny for about four days but after that my major gripe was that it interfered with my golf.

As for others in our life...our yard guy died after being hospitalized for COVID. He had had the shot. Died of cardiac arrest; I talked to him a couple of days before and he was looking forward to getting out of the hospital. What are the odds that his death certificate listed "COVID" as cause of death? Others? My wife's daughter, her husband and four kids all had the vaccination. A few months later all of them came down with COVID--my step-granddaughter's case also involved a pneumonia diagnosis. My sister had the shot, and then had COVID--twice. The last time, this past December, damn near killed her. My oldest granddaughter also had COVID--twice--AFTER having the shot.

My conclusions?

1. I know more people who have had COVID AFTER the vaccine than who have gotten it without having the vaccine. Some multiple times. Doesn't seem to help much if at all.

2. The biggest threat is not COVID, but the FEAR of COVID. For my wife and myself, as well as a whole lot of others who decided to LIVE our lives rather than curl up in a fetal position under some bed, that is the case.

3. People who take the government at their word are fools.

Great info and I wholeheartedly agree

[Altavia]

Death Rate by Vaccination Status.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by Altavia

Death Rate by Vaccination Status.

Any of these studies can be skewed to show whatever result they desire. I am only interested in first hand personal experiences and so far the results are mixed which I very much expected. Granted it will be a very small sample and by no means conclusive but I find the responses I have received very interesting.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

My humble prayer.............................Oh God, please give me an FCC that prevents lies and propaganda on American radio and TV.

You spelled "CDC" wrong...

[Whitley]

I strongly suggest you listen to the reports from Dr Bruce Campbell. The one attached discusses "Facts" surrounding the vaccine and the current variant.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYz-yelhkYE

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

My own observations about this is that the only people I know that died from Covid were not vaccinated. However the ones I know who have had it the most times were vaccinated and fully boosted. I personally only had the initial vaccine series (2 shots) back in 2021. The one and only time I got Covid it was so mild I’ve had colds that were worse. I have to wonder if people are so over-vaccinated that they can no longer produce a natural response. What is everyone’s own experience with this?

I'm a Covid hipster. I had covid before it was cool...

February 2020... Mild fever and body aches for 36 hrs, a cough for 3 days and tired for 4-5 days.

Didn't even know it was covid since tests were not yet available. I was able to confirm via antibody blood tests 3 months later.

I still took the Moderna jabs (first one made me WAAAAAY sicker than when I had covid, the second one was nothing), and 1 booster.

The wife caught covid from me. She had typical flu-like symptoms for a week and lost taste and smell a week later. That lasted about 7-10 days. She also was jabbed (she got the J&J, followed by the first Moderna booster). She caught covid again last Summer. It was a bad cold for a week...

We're both done with the boosters until they actually test them and prove they work...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Bill14564

Who is the "they" who said it wasn't tested? I remember hearing about the testing and reading the test reports with the analysis of the efficacy.

FDA to authorize new Covid boosters without trials in people

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

I personally believe that Covid WOULD have been stopped in its tracks, if during Delta, the anti-vaccers had not run their mouths so WOOF-si-fer-ous-ly - and the US vaccines had been as widely accepted as vaccines were in the distant past. And of course, NOW we would have NEEDED China to desire to use our vaccines and we desired to give it to them.
........And NOW we are too late and Covid is still incubating away.....23......7

I'd agree with you... But then we'd both be wrong...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by jimjamuser

It was tested on a SMALL group and government was worried about the potential for 1 MILLION Americans dying for nothing from the DISEASE (which did happen) that they made the CORRECT decision to go ahead and give out the shots.

It was tested on 8 MICE...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

There are more people who have had the vaccine, than not had it. The difference is that most of the people who are contracting covid now, aren't deathly ill, needing any kind of special treatment, and aren't dying.

Which is exactly the same as what was happening BEFORE the vaccine was available...

[Whitley]

You will see that there are a few who get absolutely rabid when defending the jab and it's follow up jabs since the original one didn't work as planned. I once owned a Maserati. My wife told me before I bought it, that it was a foolish choice. I bought it, believing the salesman that maintenance was not extreme and it would fulfill all my driving fantasies. Of course, it was a nightmare. Even so, with each visit, and bill from the repair shop, I dug my heels in deeper, stating how great the auto was and how I would buy one again. To admit that it was a mistake at this point would prove I made a poor decision. Each time evidence showed it was a silly choice, I defended it louder. Had I the power I may even censor those who proved me wrong. To admit it would be to admit I made a questionable choice, then acted like a fool keeping it each time it was shown to be a foolish choice. Human nature I guess. Side note, anyone interested in a 1981 Merak (built October)?

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

I'm a Covid hipster. I had covid before it was cool...

February 2020... Mild fever and body aches for 36 hrs, a cough for 3 days and tired for 4-5 days.

Didn't even know it was covid since tests were not yet available. I was able to confirm via antibody blood tests 3 months later.

I still took the Moderna jabs (first one made me WAAAAAY sicker than when I had covid, the second one was nothing), and 1 booster.

The wife caught covid from me. She had typical flu-like symptoms for a week and lost taste and smell a week later. That lasted about 7-10 days. She also was jabbed (she got the J&J, followed by the first Moderna booster). She caught covid again last Summer. It was a bad cold for a week...

We're both done with the boosters until they actually test them and prove they work...

I think I had it before it became a thing also but can’t prove it. I had flu like symptoms (which is what I thought I had) but lost my sense of taste and smell for an entire week which has never happened to me before.

[Whitley]

A concern of mine is that while the chance of serious illness (hospitalization), to those under 21 years old are almost non existent, while the cases of adverse effects are shown to be statistically significant (recent study, peer reviewed in Taiwan). In spite of this, the CDC is pushing for children over 6 months old to get the jab.
Risk vs Benefit. The risk to young adults and children from the current strain are miniscule compared to serious adverse side effects of the jab.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

I do not believe anything I read from any news source which is why I am asking for personal experiences. So far we have 3 mild cases from unvaccinated, vaccinated, and vaccinated and boosted.

I am not vaccinated. Tested positive last September. The symptoms were less than a common cold. I know had I been jabbed everyone would say that was the reason for the very mild symptoms. Can I say my not being jabbed resulted in mild symptoms?

[ThirdOfFive]

"You will see that there are a few who get absolutely rabid when defending the jab and it's follow up jabs since the original one didn't work as planned. I once owned a Maserati. My wife told me before I bought it, that it was a foolish choice. I bought it, believing the salesman that maintenance was not extreme and it would fulfill all my driving fantasies. Of course, it was a nightmare. Even so, with each visit, and bill from the repair shop, I dug my heels in deeper, stating how great the auto was and how I would buy one again. To admit that it was a mistake at this point would prove I made a poor decision. "

Great points.

I too have noticed the defensiveness on the part of some when their views on the efficacy of the vaccine/subsequent boosters are questioned. On an individual level it is somewhat amusing but when it becomes the case with government entities it is a whole 'nother kettle of fish. Case in point. Minnesota was one of the most front-and-center states in The-Sky-Is-Falling movement. Led by University of Minnesota epidemiologist Michael Osterholm, the doleful prediction was that one hundred thousand Minnesotans were in line to die of COVID in the space of eight months (the numbers and timelines may vary but that is the gist of it). Didn't happen, of course, but Governor Walz, a somewhat credulous type, bought into it hook, line and sinker. The state began hosting weekly (Saturday mornings as I recall) media sessions where he and Minnesota Dept. of Health Director Jan Malcolm, in dirgelike tones, recounted the previous week's progress of the bug across Minnesota. The tone of those sessions gradually changed as the numbers began to reveal that what was happening was nothing like the doleful predictions, but Walz, sticking to the original script, went out on a limb and purchased, for several million dollars, a huge old warehouse that was going to be used as a temporary morgue for all the COVID victims that he was sure were going to be swept up off the street that winter. Didn't happen, of course, and there were quite a few waggish suggestions made as to how the State could use that building. As far as I know, it still sits there, empty.

The problem was, even when the numbers began to tell a tale that was diametrically opposite of what the official doomsayers predicted, the state agencies refused to change course, many adapting the narrative to support continued draconian measures that the situation obviously did not call for. In my judgment it was a case of "in for a penny, in for a pound". A lot of well-known academic and department-head types had gone out so far on The-Sky-Is-Falling limb, that any change in course or action would have meant totally reversing their original take(s), and by so doing would have made them look extremely stupid.

Not admitting to obvious mistakes is the height of irresponsibility, in my opinion.