[Altavia]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

I have no medical training at all but wasn’t there some discussion of it being used that way to target cancer?

Clinical advances and ongoing trials of mRNA vaccines for cancer treatment - The Lancet Oncology

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

According to Wikipedia, Epoch Times is a far right media company affiliated with the Falun Gong new religious movement. It frequently promotes misinformation and conspiracy theories such as QAnon and anti-vaccine information, and false claims of election fraud in the 2020 US election.

Really, Swim? With due respect you've formed an opinion based on, what some would say, is a biased left-wing publication.

Pretty sure you can get a limited free trial subscription. You really ought to try it. The health and medical coverage is great. Yes, there are some articles that disagree with what we're given through the main stream media. But the research done and the sources quoted are simply too credible to ignore. That, however, is only a small portion of it health and medical coverage.

The reporting done in the numerous other sections is old school journalism in that it simply relays facts without reaching conclusions or forming opinions. That's left to the reader. And that includes the reporting done on developments regarding numerous election issues. Providing the latest updates on the Kari Lake lawsuit doesn't classify as an election denier.

It does have an opinion section and from the few articles I've read there, definitely conservative views. But at least that section is clearly identified and not an attempt to provide an opinion piece under the guise of journalistic reporting.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Really, Swim? With due respect you've formed an opinion based on, what some would say, is a biased left-wing publication.

Pretty sure you can get a limited free trial subscription. You really ought to try it. The health and medical coverage is great. Yes, there are some articles that disagree with what we're given through the main stream media. But the research done and the sources quoted are simply too credible to ignore. That, however, is only a small portion of it health and medical coverage.

The reporting done in the numerous other sections is old school journalism in that it simply relays facts without reaching conclusions or forming opinions. That's left to the reader. And that includes the reporting done on developments regarding numerous election issues. Providing the latest updates on the Kari Lake lawsuit doesn't classify as an election denier.

It does have an opinion section and from the few articles I've read there, definitely conservative views. But at least that section is clearly identified and not an attempt to provide an opinion piece under the guise of journalistic reporting.

Epoch Times is a known entity in the media business, they're not some "oh only the far left think this" group. They ARE affiliated with a a religious cult, and they DO support alt-right, Qanon, and anti-vax conspiracies. They don't just report them, they support them. This is known, it's not a secret that your doctor doesn't want you to know about.

Whatever they report, will be reported with a bias. There is very little actual "unbiased" news in news reporting anymore. Aside from maybe Reuters and the AP wire, whatever you read in any newspaper, online or print, will have a bias. Epoch Times is not merely biased. It is HARD-right.

[Two Bills]

I just do as my doctor advises.
It's a very simple system, and has worked extremely well for me over the last 83 years.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

and for those who think that COVID19 deaths are overstated, or media sensationalized.

Insurance executive says death rates among working-age people up 40 percent

You might want to rethink your data sources, as this data source has skin in the game, paying out money!

[Boston-Sean]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

and for those who think that COVID19 deaths are overstated, or media sensationalized.

Insurance executive says death rates among working-age people up 40 percent

You might want to rethink your data sources, as this data source has skin in the game, paying out money!

Are those really Covid deaths? Or vaccine related? Or lockdown related from people not getting preventative care or lockdown related mental health/drug/alcohol?

Here is one of the most extreme branch covidians finally admitting that covid death counts were vastly over stated:

Dr. Leana Wen writes that COVID deaths are being overcounted

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

and for those who think that COVID19 deaths are overstated, or media sensationalized.

Insurance executive says death rates among working-age people up 40 percent

You might want to rethink your data sources, as this data source has skin in the game, paying out money!

What I would like to know is how many were unvaccinated vs vaccinated. I am not questioning that people died but rather how well do the vaccines really protect and how efficient are the boosters. Are deaths going down because of all the shots or simply because the virus is mutating into a more transmissible but less deadly disease. There is just so much they don't yet know.

[lkagele]

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby

Epoch Times is a known entity in the media business, they're not some "oh only the far left think this" group. They ARE affiliated with a a religious cult, and they DO support alt-right, Qanon, and anti-vax conspiracies. They don't just report them, they support them. This is known, it's not a secret that your doctor doesn't want you to know about.

Whatever they report, will be reported with a bias. There is very little actual "unbiased" news in news reporting anymore. Aside from maybe Reuters and the AP wire, whatever you read in any newspaper, online or print, will have a bias. Epoch Times is not merely biased. It is HARD-right.

How is 'this is known'? Because some entity told you so or from your actual experience in reading the publication? I subscribed a few months ago because of the medical information it provides. Except in the Opinion section, I've seen no evidence of 'support reporting'. Yes, it reports on issues not followed by the MSM but I find that a good thing. I really don't care if the bias comes from the left or the right; if it's good reporting, I'll follow it.

I'm open minded. Give us examples where it has 'supported' Qanon or religious cults. It does have a very good section on religion. Do you consider reporting on Christianity as supporting a 'religious cult'? Give me some examples other than 'it is known' or 'people say'.

[CoachKandSportsguy]

Originally Posted by oldtimes

What I would like to know is how many were unvaccinated vs vaccinated. I am not questioning that people died but rather how well do the vaccines really protect and how efficient are the boosters. Are deaths going down because of all the shots or simply because the virus is mutating into a more transmissible but less deadly disease. There is just so much they don't yet know.

Do you really think that you are the only one who wants to know? Don't you think that every epidemiologist and every research hospital wants that data to better understand efficacy? Did you read post # 77
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...64-post77.html
about the difficulty of the electronic medical records system setup and reporting from the beginning of the pandemic? do you understand who is in charge of reporting public health reporting? So if you want to do your part, you take all the survey serious and answer as accurately possible. Data collection is costly in time and cleanliness, but the more data collected, even if its noisy, the better. . .

I have posts from within a research and educational hospital system from coachK (my wife) on here who was in the middle between EMR internal systems and public health system reporting requests, as well as publishing hourly updates to internal reporting sites for virus status to the medical staff. the statistical mis representations of the data happens very quickly, simpson's paradox, with a real life data example in one post. . . .

go do some searches on our name, and the virus/data/etc, and you will learn where data lives, and how its reported, and that public news sources do NOT publish all the data for privacy and other reasons, and its not black and white at all, its not a death no death outcome analysis, and its not solely a vax / no vax status, there are many confounding variables to normalize, to find the most accurate possible answer, but it will never be perfect as there is NEVER complete and accurate and clean data, that only exists in entry level data analysis courses.

[oldtimes]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

Do you really think that you are the only one who wants to know? Don't you think that every epidemiologist and every research hospital wants that data to better understand efficacy? Did you read post # 77
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...64-post77.html
about the difficulty of the electronic medical records system setup and reporting from the beginning of the pandemic? do you understand who is in charge of reporting public health reporting? So if you want to do your part, you take all the survey serious and answer as accurately possible. Data collection is costly in time and cleanliness, but the more data collected, even if its noisy, the better. . .

I have posts from within a research and educational hospital system from coachK (my wife) on here who was in the middle between EMR internal systems and public health system reporting requests, as well as publishing hourly updates to internal reporting sites for virus status to the medical staff. the statistical mis representations of the data happens very quickly, simpson's paradox, with a real life data example in one post. . . .

go do some searches on our name, and the virus/data/etc, and you will learn where data lives, and how its reported, and that public news sources do NOT publish all the data for privacy and other reasons, and its not black and white at all, its not a death no death outcome analysis, and its not solely a vax / no vax status, there are many confounding variables to normalize, to find the most accurate possible answer, but it will never be perfect as there is NEVER complete and accurate and clean data, that only exists in entry level data analysis courses.

Exactly! So all of the studies that everyone is quoting as doctrine are in fact flawed.

[Love2Swim]

Originally Posted by lkagele

Really, Swim? With due respect you've formed an opinion based on, what some would say, is a biased left-wing publication.

Pretty sure you can get a limited free trial subscription. You really ought to try it. The health and medical coverage is great. Yes, there are some articles that disagree with what we're given through the main stream media. But the research done and the sources quoted are simply too credible to ignore. That, however, is only a small portion of it health and medical coverage.

The reporting done in the numerous other sections is old school journalism in that it simply relays facts without reaching conclusions or forming opinions. That's left to the reader. And that includes the reporting done on developments regarding numerous election issues. Providing the latest updates on the Kari Lake lawsuit doesn't classify as an election denier.

It does have an opinion section and from the few articles I've read there, definitely conservative views. But at least that section is clearly identified and not an attempt to provide an opinion piece under the guise of journalistic reporting.

Do your research. Epoch Times is an extremely right wing conservative news outlet. It is biased.It is a global scale mis-information machine pushing fringe narratives. It is tied to the Chinese group Falun Gong, which has an extreme belief system that forbids interracial marriage, condemns homosexuality and discourages the use of modern medicine. Epoch Times has posted anti-vaccine articles, an article falsely claiming that Bill Gates and other elites are “directing” the Covid-19 pandemic and allegations about a “Jewish mob” that controls the world. It has been banned from Facebook for posting from fake accounts to amplify its phony messages. It is basically a publication for fruitcakes.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by lkagele

How is 'this is known'? Because some entity told you so or from your actual experience in reading the publication? I subscribed a few months ago because of the medical information it provides. Except in the Opinion section, I've seen no evidence of 'support reporting'. Yes, it reports on issues not followed by the MSM but I find that a good thing. I really don't care if the bias comes from the left or the right; if it's good reporting, I'll follow it.

I'm open minded. Give us examples where it has 'supported' Qanon or religious cults. It does have a very good section on religion. Do you consider reporting on Christianity as supporting a 'religious cult'? Give me some examples other than 'it is known' or 'people say'.

Joy Behar on the View and the Huffington Post said so.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy

Do you really think that you are the only one who wants to know? Don't you think that every epidemiologist and every research hospital wants that data to better understand efficacy? Did you read post # 77
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...64-post77.html
about the difficulty of the electronic medical records system setup and reporting from the beginning of the pandemic? do you understand who is in charge of reporting public health reporting? So if you want to do your part, you take all the survey serious and answer as accurately possible. Data collection is costly in time and cleanliness, but the more data collected, even if its noisy, the better. . .

I have posts from within a research and educational hospital system from coachK (my wife) on here who was in the middle between EMR internal systems and public health system reporting requests, as well as publishing hourly updates to internal reporting sites for virus status to the medical staff. the statistical mis representations of the data happens very quickly, simpson's paradox, with a real life data example in one post. . . .

go do some searches on our name, and the virus/data/etc, and you will learn where data lives, and how its reported, and that public news sources do NOT publish all the data for privacy and other reasons, and its not black and white at all, its not a death no death outcome analysis, and its not solely a vax / no vax status, there are many confounding variables to normalize, to find the most accurate possible answer, but it will never be perfect as there is NEVER complete and accurate and clean data, that only exists in entry level data analysis courses.

There is that overly aggressive response. All the person said was "What I would like to know is how many were unvaccinated vs vaccinated."

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by Love2Swim

Do your research. Epoch Times is an extremely right wing conservative news outlet. It is biased.It is a global scale mis-information machine pushing fringe narratives. It is tied to the Chinese group Falun Gong, which has an extreme belief system that forbids interracial marriage, condemns homosexuality and discourages the use of modern medicine. Epoch Times has posted anti-vaccine articles, an article falsely claiming that Bill Gates and other elites are “directing” the Covid-19 pandemic and allegations about a “Jewish mob” that controls the world. It has been banned from Facebook for posting from fake accounts to amplify its phony messages. It is basically a publication for fruitcakes.

So you do not believe Bill Gates played any role in the formation of how covid was handled? To back up your claim you use Facebook Censoring them as proof. Bless your heart, I wish you the best.

[Whitley]

Dr. Scott Gotlieb, a Pfizer Board Member, used the special link between the White House and Twitter to get FDA Head Censored For Saying Natural Immunity is ‘Superior’to the vaccine. Gottlieb feared the post by Dr Brett Giroir That natural immunity is “superior” to COVID-19 jab induced-immunity. Twitter and Dr Gottlieb admit that the post by Dr Giroir is factual and violates no terms of service. Gotlieb pressed Twitter to censor Dr Giroir, stating that his words could create covid vaccine hesitancy (and it follows would hurt the bottom line for Pfizer, who was paying Gotlieb). August 2021, Gottlieb told Todd O’Boyle – a senior manager in Twitter’s public policy department – that a tweet from @drgiroir claiming CORRECTLY that natural immunity was superior to vaccine immunity was ‘corrosive’ and might ‘go viral " Twitter responded that while they had no justification to censor the post(s), “Twitter put a misleading tag on the tweet, preventing it from being shared." Emboldened, Gottlieb then went after a tweet about Covid’s low risk to kids from @justin_hart. Pfizer would soon win the okay for its mRNA shots for children, so keeping parents scared was crucial."
When confronted, Gotlieb said that keeping the truth from coming out was what would be best for the population.