[Velvet]

I think of government, in general, as the lowest common denominator for the benefit of society. Individuals can do better. But for those who, for various selfish reasons, chose not to follow even that low expectation, we need policies and rules.

If compassion and consideration guides you, you will generally make the right decision, whether you go to the grocery store or anything else you do that involves others.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by rrlavigne

The president and VP are now being tested daily. All those around them are also tested and are wearing masks. There's new strict virus protocol in the WH. This is the guy who put in place government guidelines then immediately posted praise for people protesting those same guidelines. Fact, not fake news. We debate sheltering vs the economy. (Sometimes in a very nasty way) We debate who to trust with the information we're getting. Well actions speak louder than words. Look what's going on in the WH.

Do as I say, not as I do, including our president. Wonder why people are non compliant.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by StephenG

Wow! I am very pleased with the level of discourse this has generated. A lot of very good opinions and ideas have been expressed in all aspects of this recovery situation. I respect everyone who took the time to express their thoughts and opinions in this matter. It’s obvious that we have a community of a lot of very good spirited people who just want to do what’s right. I am glad that as a community we are able to come together and have a respectful discourse in this matter. I think the most important thing at this point is that as changes are introduced and freedoms are re-substantiated we continue to have a positive and respectful discourse. Our goal must be to all join together and contribute to the recovery effort by means of communication and discourse and when necessary action. So for now God bless you all, And remember you are divinely protected within the hedge of his love.

Nope. Don't buy it.

[coffeebean]

Originally Posted by tvbound

And on a purely an anecdotal level, a couple of very high profile cases in the last few days, involving an environment that chose not to social distance or even wear masks, should make most people stop and think.

Yup....."do as I say, not as I do". Bit them in the ass, didn't it?

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by rrlavigne

The president and VP are now being tested daily. All those around them are also tested and are wearing masks. There's new strict virus protocol in the WH. This is the guy who put in place government guidelines then immediately posted praise for people protesting those same guidelines. Fact, not fake news. We debate sheltering vs the economy. (Sometimes in a very nasty way) We debate who to trust with the information we're getting. Well actions speak louder than words. Look what's going on in the WH.

Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), and Dr. Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control, will quarantine for 14 days.(after possible exposure to virus) Stephen Hahn, the head of the Food and Drug Administration, has already gone into quarantine.

Fauci becomes third member of White House coronavirus task force to enter quarantine

Ever seen these infectious disease guys wearing a mask? I got it, let's blame the White House!

[donassaid]

Before you opt for any vaccine, Google past vaccines developed by Bill Gates which resulted in death, sterility and a myriad of other medical issues. You have got to be an idiot to take ANY vaccine, including flu shots. The best thing we can do, if you are healthy and have no other issues, is to get back to work and our normal activities and let our bodies develop their own antibodies and immunity to Covid 19. It's called "herd immunity".

[tvbound]

Originally Posted by donassaid

Before you opt for any vaccine, Google past vaccines developed by Bill Gates which resulted in death, sterility and a myriad of other medical issues. You have got to be an idiot to take ANY vaccine, including flu shots. The best thing we can do, if you are healthy and have no other issues, is to get back to work and our normal activities and let our bodies develop their own antibodies and immunity to Covid 19. It's called "herd immunity".

You made me curious.

Here's what I found.


PolitiFact | Anti-vaxxers spread conspiracy about Bill Gates and India’s polio vaccination

A popular conspiracy theory on Facebook digs into Bill Gates’ past to try to discredit his current efforts to speed up the development of a coronavirus vaccine.

An April 13 post claims the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation "tested a polio vax in India between 2000 & 2017 and paralysed 496,000 chlidren."

"Fact!" the post reads.

But it’s not.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by donassaid

Before you opt for any vaccine, Google past vaccines developed by Bill Gates which resulted in death, sterility and a myriad of other medical issues. You have got to be an idiot to take ANY vaccine, including flu shots. The best thing we can do, if you are healthy and have no other issues, is to get back to work and our normal activities and let our bodies develop their own antibodies and immunity to Covid 19. It's called "herd immunity".

Bill Gates is founder of Microsoft which has nothing to do with producing medical vaccines of any kind. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation funds many projects all over the world. I would have to guess that there is a conspiracy theory circling and you have accepted it as truth.

The way that our bodies develop antibodies and immunity is to survive the infection or receive a vaccine. When it is clearly happening that 80% of those who have died from Covid-19 are over 65 and that is the age of many people who live here in The Villages your opinion seems like a very dangerous one.

Most people use preventative measures to keep healthy and people over fifty are wise to get the shingles shot, all three kinds of pneumonia shot, and the seasonal flu shot. It is good to keep up with tetanus and also perhaps be revaccinated against pertussis, (whooping cough) if there is a new baby grandchild.

I am not a medical person but I am aware of current health trends simply because I love my family and want to protect them from harm.

[biker1]

Bill Gates is not CEO of Microsoft. He stepped down from that position 20 years ago in 2000. He was Chairman of the Board but stepped down from that position in 2014. He recently announced he is leaving the Microsoft Board all together.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

Bill Gates is CEO of Microsoft which has nothing to do with producing medical vaccines of any kind. The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation funds many projects all over the world. I would have to guess that there is a conspiracy theory circling and you have accepted it as truth.

The way that our bodies develop antibodies and immunity is to survive the infection. When it is clearly happening that 80% of those who have died from Covid-19 are over 65 and that is the age of many people who live here in The Villages your opinion seems like a very dangerous one.

Most people use preventative measures to keep healthy and people over fifty are wise to get the shingles shot, all three kinds of pneumonia shot, and the seasonal flu shot. It is good to keep up with tetanus and also perhaps be revaccinated against pertussis, (whooping cough) if there is a new baby grandchild.

I am not a medical person but I am aware of current health trends simply because I love my family and want to protect them from harm.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by donassaid

Before you opt for any vaccine, Google past vaccines developed by Bill Gates which resulted in death, sterility and a myriad of other medical issues. You have got to be an idiot to take ANY vaccine, including flu shots. The best thing we can do, if you are healthy and have no other issues, is to get back to work and our normal activities and let our bodies develop their own antibodies and immunity to Covid 19. It's called "herd immunity".

No, actually you have to be an idiot to believe that, follow that advice, or even post it in the first place.

Let's examine a few vaccines:

First of all, the only type of vaccine that you can get any form of the disease from are live attenuated vaccines. Most flu shots are inactive vaccines, ie: the worst you can get is a sore arm.
One of the first vaccines was developed by Edward Jenner in 1796 for smallpox---a disease that killed unknown millions with a 30% mortality rate and is NOW EXTINCT since 1975 due to vaccinations. By the way, the current smallpox vaccine is based on a related virus and you CANNOT get smallpox from it.
How many millions were killed by polio? The vaccine can give a form of polio to 2 in 1 million recipients, and that included household contacts of the vaccinated person.
Measles vaccine has an equally low incidence of causing the disease
Diphtheria, Pertussis and Rubella are inactive vaccines, tetanus is a toxoid.
Most of these vaccines are 85-95% effective
So, for every bad side effect of these vaccines, thousands of cases and deaths are prevented
Influenza kills about 44,000 Americans/year on average, that number would be less than 1/2 if everyone got their flu shot.

So PLEASE, ignore that idiotic post and get your vaccinations as recommended by THE EXPERTS AT THE CDC, and not some conspiracy theory nut job.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by biker1

Bill Gates is not CEO of Microsoft. He stepped down from that position 20 years ago in 2000. He was Chairman of the Board but stepped down from that position in 2014. He recently announced he is leaving the Microsoft Board all together.

I was not aware of that. I apologize. I have changed the wording to founder of Microsoft.

[graciegirl]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

No, actually you have to be an idiot to believe that, follow that advice, or even post it in the first place.

Let's examine a few vaccines:

First of all, the only type of vaccine that you can get any form of the disease from are live attenuated vaccines. Most flu shots are inactive vaccines, ie: the worst you can get is a sore arm.
One of the first vaccines was developed by Edward Jenner in 1796 for smallpox---a disease that killed unknown millions with a 30% mortality rate and is NOW EXTINCT since 1975 due to vaccinations. By the way, the current smallpox vaccine is based on a related virus and you CANNOT get smallpox from it.
How many millions were killed by polio? The vaccine can give a form of polio to 2 in 1 million recipients, and that included household contacts of the vaccinated person.
Measles vaccine has an equally low incidence of causing the disease
Diphtheria, Pertussis and Rubella are inactive vaccines, tetanus is a toxoid.
Most of these vaccines are 85-95% effective
So, for every bad side effect of these vaccines, thousands of cases and deaths are prevented
Influenza kills about 44,000 Americans/year on average, that number would be less than 1/2 if everyone got their flu shot.

So PLEASE, ignore that idiotic post and get your vaccinations as recommended by THE EXPERTS AT THE CDC, and not some conspiracy theory nut job.

My post just now went ahead of this valuable information from a fellow Villager and a retired doctor who I respect very much. I will repost it here.

[biker1]

He is actually the co-founder.

Originally Posted by graciegirl

I was not aware of that. I apologize. I have changed the wording to founder of Microsoft.

[Swoop]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

No, actually you have to be an idiot to believe that, follow that advice, or even post it in the first place.

Let's examine a few vaccines:

First of all, the only type of vaccine that you can get any form of the disease from are live attenuated vaccines. Most flu shots are inactive vaccines, ie: the worst you can get is a sore arm.
One of the first vaccines was developed by Edward Jenner in 1796 for smallpox---a disease that killed unknown millions with a 30% mortality rate and is NOW EXTINCT since 1975 due to vaccinations. By the way, the current smallpox vaccine is based on a related virus and you CANNOT get smallpox from it.
How many millions were killed by polio? The vaccine can give a form of polio to 2 in 1 million recipients, and that included household contacts of the vaccinated person.
Measles vaccine has an equally low incidence of causing the disease
Diphtheria, Pertussis and Rubella are inactive vaccines, tetanus is a toxoid.
Most of these vaccines are 85-95% effective
So, for every bad side effect of these vaccines, thousands of cases and deaths are prevented
Influenza kills about 44,000 Americans/year on average, that number would be less than 1/2 if everyone got their flu shot.

So PLEASE, ignore that idiotic post and get your vaccinations as recommended by THE EXPERTS AT THE CDC, and not some conspiracy theory nut job.

How do you figure that the number of flu deaths would reduce by 50% if everyone got the flu shot? First, the people currently getting flu shots are already typically the most vulnerable. Giving flu shots to young healthy people would have a minimal effect on the mortality rate. So since the flu shot is about 50% effective and a large number of at risk people already get it, how would inoculating everyone further reduce the number by an additional 50%?Lastly the flu shot for any given season is based on the best guess as to what strains will be most prevalent. When they guess wrong the numbers climb significantly.

[golfing eagles]

Originally Posted by Swoop

How do you figure that the number of flu deaths would reduce by 50% if everyone got the flu shot? First, the people currently getting flu shots are already typically the most vulnerable. Giving flu shots to young healthy people would have a minimal effect on the mortality rate. So since the flu shot is about 50% effective and a large number of at risk people already get it, how would inoculating everyone further reduce the number by an additional 50%?Lastly the flu shot for any given season is based on the best guess as to what strains will be most prevalent. When they guess wrong the numbers climb significantly.

Are you trying to "educate" me???? If so,

That being said, the 50% number is a guess based on the percentage of the population that gets flu shots (approx. 31%) and generally normal distribution. Flu shots, are NOT confined to those most at risk, so that number is only minimally skewed. And yes, CDC goes to Asia in Dec-Feb of the previous year and samples the prevailing influenza viruses, the decides on generally 3 strains to include in the vaccine. It is not 100% effective. On average it is 86% effective, some years 94%, other years < 70%. When an unforeseen strain emerges late in the season, it is close to 0% effective against it