[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Usually, the product insert, which is pretty much identical to the info in the PDR is written by the drug company's researchers, doctors and pharmacists, with heavy input from their lawyers. It's accurate and factual, the penalties for falsifying any content are draconian.

Thank you again.

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Just posted something very similar to what I am about to say.

DOCTORS are prescribing the antibiotics that you are asserting are bad. Yet, to decide whether or not to get a vaccine that is less than 4 years old, go off the reccomendation of your doctor, they know best. IS NOONE else seeing the hypocrisy in this??
I am NOT saying doctors are evil, incompetent, or just on par with a google search. But since our medical system and our wallet cannot support going to 3 doctors to get their opinions in the way we would for something much less serious as our health like our driveway or lanai project, and as one of the doctors posted/joked you would likely get 3 different opinions, we are limited to basically one doctor who may or may not be one of those prescribing antibiotics for a virus[/B]

And how effective did the COVID vaccine turn out to be IN THE LONG RUN, not according to the first published results.

I have gotten the flu shot on many occassions. The flu sux but I never worry about dying from it.
I got the shingles vaccine because of what I saw friends/family go through with that. As it turns out, I got the wrong one. But, but, they were both FDA approved and I got what my doctor reccommended. Uh, we learned more over time.... DING DING DING DING

The over prescription of antibiotics paradox is as much cultural as medical.

Many hospitals and medical associations have helped educate and apply new Antibiotic Stewardship guidelines to diagnose and treat infections. These guidelines have been made to ensure effective treatments are given for bacterial infections and to reduce incorrect use of antibiotics

https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-l...s/art-20045720

Patients play a part so need to avoid pressuring their health care provider to give an antibiotic prescription. They instead should ask their health care provider for advice on how to treat symptoms.

[Cybersprings]

Originally Posted by Altavia

The over prescription of antibiotics paradox is as much cultural as medical.

Many hospitals and medical associations have helped educate and apply new Antibiotic Stewardship guidelines to diagnose and treat infections. These guidelines have been made to ensure effective treatments are given for bacterial infections and to reduce incorrect use of antibiotics

Antibiotics: Are you misusing them? - Mayo Clinic

Patients play a part so need to avoid pressuring their health care provider to give an antibiotic prescription. They instead should ask their health care provider for advice on how to treat symptoms.

Agreed. Patients should stop pressuring.
Are you asserting based on that article, that doctors prescribing antibiotics when not needed is no longer a problem?
if so, my point is moot.

[Cybersprings]

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[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Agreed. Patients should stop pressuring.
Are you asserting based on that article, that doctors prescribing antibiotics when not needed is no longer a problem?
if so, my point is moot.

Depends on if you think there still could be Doctors who prescribe unecessary antibiotics if a patient insists on a prescription?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Cybersprings

Just posted something very similar to what I am about to say.

DOCTORS are prescribing the antibiotics that you are asserting are bad. Yet, to decide whether or not to get a vaccine that is less than 4 years old, go off the reccomendation of your doctor, they know best. IS NOONE else seeing the hypocrisy in this??
I am NOT saying doctors are evil, incompetent, or just on par with a google search. But since our medical system and our wallet cannot support going to 3 doctors to get their opinions in the way we would for something much less serious as our health like our driveway or lanai project, and as one of the doctors posted/joked you would likely get 3 different opinions, we are limited to basically one doctor who may or may not be one of those prescribing antibiotics for a virus[/B]

And how effective did the COVID vaccine turn out to be IN THE LONG RUN, not according to the first published results.

I have gotten the flu shot on many occassions. The flu sux but I never worry about dying from it.
I got the shingles vaccine because of what I saw friends/family go through with that. As it turns out, I got the wrong one. But, but, they were both FDA approved and I got what my doctor reccommended. Uh, we learned more over time.... DING DING DING DING

Don't forget the patients, who don't take the antibiotics as prescribed...

I seriously cannot remember the last time a patient actually finished the entire 10 day (or whatever the recommended course) of antibiotics....

Then, they return to the office with a recurrence of the infection...

That also adds to the problem of antibiotic resistant bugs...

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Don't forget the patients, who don't take the antibiotics as prescribed...

I seriously cannot remember the last time a patient actually finished the entire 10 day (or whatever the recommended course) of antibiotics....

Then, they return to the office with a recurrence of the infection...

That also adds to the problem of antibiotic resistant bugs...

I almost always finish the entire course of antibiotics. Will say that if I get 10 days worth and feel fine after say day 4 might well stop at day 7.

[Velvet]

Saw the family doc today he gave me the shot. So far no side effects. Thank you everyone for your insights and advice.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

I almost always finish the entire course of antibiotics. Will say that if I get 10 days worth and feel fine after say day 4 might well stop at day 7.

Remind me to smack you in the head if we ever meet in real life...

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Remind me to smack you in the head if we ever meet in real life...

I might forget should I write that down?

[Altavia]

Originally Posted by Stu from NYC

I might forget should I write that down?

This video from Harvard illustrates the the development of antimicrobial resistance.

At the end of the day, we are destined to become food for bacteria.

https://youtu.be/plVk4NVIUh8?si=n3P4IDq3t0aRdL38

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by dhdallas

According to the FDA website "Participants will remain in the study through three RSV seasons to assess the duration of effectiveness and the safety and effectiveness of vaccination." The FDA also reports that some patients have had side effects of atrial fibrillation, acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (ADEM), a rare type of inflammation that affects the brain and spinal cord, and Guillain-Barré syndrome (a rare disorder in which the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis).

So just like the COVID vaccine, feel free to be another guinea pig for the RSV vaccine roll out. I think I will wait until at least the three RSV seasonal monitoring is complete with more concrete info before I would consider it.

First of all, afib is not a big deal, some people get palpatations just by thinking about them. And the study showed that 10 people who got the vaccine had afib, and FOUR people who had the placebo also had it. That's out of 25,000 people total - 12,500 who got the vaccine and 12,500 who got the placebo.

There was a DIFFERENT study, where people got the vaccine PLUS an FDA approved flu vaccine, one right after the other in the same visit. In THAT study, one person got GB, and two people had ADEM. That study had only 2500 people in it total.

So the take-away, to me, is don't get both on the same day, if you get them at all.

[Velvet]

Just an update, for anybody who might be thinking about this vaccine. I feel a little achy, one day after the RSV shot, up and about and later a nice walk, but skipping Mah Jongg today.

[Whitley]

Originally Posted by golfing eagles

Not including you---you did exactly what you should. The post was more directed at those, like during the pandemic, that skipped the physician conversation, did a 5 minute google search and made a bad decision. For many of them, here is the result:

You seem to exaggerate as much as you accuse others of. It is unfortunate that people can not have a civil conversation without putting down (name calling) the other side.

[Stu from NYC]

Originally Posted by Altavia

This video from Harvard illustrates the the development of antimicrobial resistance.

At the end of the day, we are destined to become food for bacteria.

https://youtu.be/plVk4NVIUh8?si=n3P4IDq3t0aRdL38

In the long run we are going to be dust.